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Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by rainbowmverse on Sunday March 18, 2018 @04:40PM (#16614184)
>> "The American study found that key chemicals in the oils boost oestrogen and inhibit testosterone."

I find this highly suspect. If the effect were significant, every trans woman I know would be talking about their essential oils instead of salt cravings and estrogen pills/injections.

Is there something to this, or is it another case of shoddy science reporting?

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by rukuu_001 on Sunday March 18, 2018 @04:57PM (#16614283)
I don't know about the validity if the science, but what they're claiming is that it only affects pre-pubescent & pubescent boys.

So, no help for most trans people.

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by Analemma_ on Sunday March 18, 2018 @04:46PM (#16614223)
I doubt the effect is anywhere near large enough to be satisfactory for people who want to transition.
Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by lostgame on Sunday March 18, 2018 @05:13PM (#16614373)
Trans woman here. Was going to say this, but you nailed it.

Just going to confirm right now any effect this has is nowhere close to the kind of estrogen changes that actual hormone therapy provides.

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by ashleyn on Sunday March 18, 2018 @06:12PM (#16614767)
Perhaps not but already I'm wondering if it could enhance the effect of conventional HRT for transgender patients. Certainly something worth further investigation.
Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by zaarn on Monday March 19, 2018 @03:55AM (#16616732)
Just because substance Y does X doesn't mean it should be used to achieve X in a medical situation. There is usually a substance Z which achieves it more effectively (unless Y was designed to be more effective than Z)
Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by drngdds on Sunday March 18, 2018 @04:48PM (#16614227)
They also say that gynecomastia is rare, which is not true.
Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by vanderZwan on Sunday March 18, 2018 @05:31PM (#16614497)
Perhaps it originally was statement by the scientists that it is rare among young boys, and the interviewer dropped that condition? Not that I know whether or not it is rare among young boys either.
Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by yegle on Sunday March 18, 2018 @06:34PM (#16614885)
The post did mention:

> Not everyone will have the same reaction to an essential oil.

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by RobertRoberts on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:33PM (#16615164)
>Not everyone will have the same reaction...

Is there even a single substance on earth this doesn't apply to?

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by nicwilson on Monday March 19, 2018 @06:17AM (#16617296)
Yes, think substances used for positive controls, e.g. histamine for skin-prick tests (allergen response).
Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by RobertRoberts on Monday March 19, 2018 @11:59AM (#16619406)
>...substances used for positive controls, e.g. histamine for skin-prick tests...

Are you 100% certain that every single person, regardless of age, health, or any other criteria will always have the exact same response to these, under every conceivable circumstance and environment?

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by nicwilson on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @10:29AM (#16628843)
To have no reaction on a histamine test you would have to be on antihistamines OR have a malfunctioning innate immune system _and_ malfunctioning vasculature and/or severe malnutrition to the point where you're at deaths door (possibly not even then, those extreme cases aren't usually considered when administering allergen tests). Assuming the dose is controlled the result is a small, well pronounced welt ~0.8mm diameter. It's very consistent, you know that it will occur (because it's the direct primary mediator), that why you use it as a positive control (also you control for it, thats the point of a positive control).

In answer to you question, barring the use of antihistamines, pretty much.

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by burfog on Sunday March 18, 2018 @06:43PM (#16614928)
There might be something to this.

Coworker P and coworker S shared an office. Coworker P got a device that filled the office with a haze of vaporized essential oils. It was sort of a large-scale vaping device, a bit like a humidifier or fog machine.

Coworker S was a married father of two who seemed rather ordinary. After a bunch of time sharing that office, Coworker S decided to transition.

So, it's just an anecdote, but I don't think I'll be taking my chances with essential oils.

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by throwaway10701 on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:01PM (#16615010)
> father of two who seemed rather ordinary

Besides the fact that this language makes trans people not "ordinary", lots of people transition later in life. There are more role models and resources now than ever before, and lots of people take time to feel secure in their identity. My point is there's nothing unusual about transitioning once you have kids, even though it can be harder.

Also, elevated estrogen wouldn't make you transition. If you think you're a man and you start growing breasts you aren't going to say "whoops, I'm a woman now I guess". Transitioning is a hell of a lot more work than just deciding one day, and typically people pre-tra sition have typical hormones for their assigned gender.

Re:More evidence essential oils 'make male breasts develop' by groby_b on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:31PM (#16615153)