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Re:The Best Books on the Philosophy of Mind by foldr on Sunday March 18, 2018 @04:15PM (#16614055)
Nothing in Searle's argument suggests that consciousness isn't physical. If anything he is less of a dualist than his functionalist critics, since he sees consciousness as being inherently tied to specific kinds of physical system.
Re:The Best Books on the Philosophy of Mind by mcguire on Sunday March 18, 2018 @05:00PM (#16614304)
The specific argument suggests a tiny homunculus who lives in your head and and understands English.

The biologist argument requires something special in organic chemistry, something unknown, that is incompatible with other physics?

Quantum mechanics? Bell's Inequality.

Re:The Best Books on the Philosophy of Mind by foldr on Sunday March 18, 2018 @05:37PM (#16614540)
>The specific argument suggests a tiny homunculus who lives in your head and and understands English.

I don't see how you are getting that from anything Searle says.

> The biologist argument requires something special in organic chemistry, something unknown, that is incompatible with other physics?

We can't know at our present level of understanding whether or not it will be compatible with current physics. But anyway, perhaps current physics will need some revision before we can understand consciousness. It's hard to rule out any possibility at present.

Re:The Best Books on the Philosophy of Mind by robotresearcher on Sunday March 18, 2018 @07:28PM (#16615142)
Searle is expecting you to reject the idea that the system understands Chinese, from your common sense intuition. In his view this conclusion is obvious.
Re:The Best Books on the Philosophy of Mind by foldr on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @12:15PM (#16629895)
Yes, I know that he rejects the idea that the system understands Chinese. I didn't say otherwise.