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Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by michaelt on Thursday March 15, 2018 @11:48AM (#16593841)
I can understand Bain's motivation - but why would a creditor choose to grant credit when the risk of bankruptcy is so high?

I mean, even if the creditors were promised an unbelievable interest rate of 20%, they still lose out if the company goes bust in the next 5 years.

Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by mywittyname on Thursday March 15, 2018 @12:58PM (#16594523)
I'm not sure about this particular situation, but I was helping a finance friend with some risk modeling a few years back and realized that a significant portion of these high-risk loans are basically a game of hot potato.

Everyone knows the loan will not be repaid in full, so people hold the loan for a short window in order to collect that juicy interest payments, then sell it to the next sucker whose spread sheets convince them that they aren't going to be the one left holding the bag.

Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 15, 2018 @12:03PM (#16594009)
When you require larger returns, you're willing to accept higher levels of risk (think of all of the pension funds with obligations where they calibrated their returns at 8% but are falling far short of that [1]). The debt for these sorts of transactions is referred to as "junk bonds" or high yield debt [2].

Sidenote: It's very important to understand risk when comparing returns, as returns must be risk adjusted to be properly compared. For example, 5% returns on bonds and 5% returns on equities are not the same based on the underlying risk of the asset class.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-02/5-is-the-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield_debt

Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by Jesus_Jones on Thursday March 15, 2018 @12:53PM (#16594470)
it's still hard to understand the motivation, because these husks of companies with large debts (like toys r us) keep ending up defaulting on their loans. so at the least, the people that make those big loans lost. I pay moderate attention to my 401k, but I notice (at least when I look :-)) when I have a giant loss. How can these bond or loan companies afford to lose so much and stay in business?
Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by Spooky23 on Thursday March 15, 2018 @03:34PM (#16595885)
Not all of the stakeholders lose. The suppliers, employees and vendors of the company lose.

But the entities that write these loans make their money in different ways and may not actually lose as much as you think, or at all!

Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by toomuchtodo on Thursday March 15, 2018 @01:23PM (#16594761)
> How can these bond or loan companies afford to lose so much and stay in business?

Scale. The same way VCs only count on one or two wins to pay for the rest of the losses.

Re:iHeartRadio owner files for bankruptcy by trent_steel on Thursday March 15, 2018 @07:37PM (#16597448)
I guess they just like crashing companies while making a ton of money.

If you look at their list of previous acquisitions ( https://www.baincapitalprivateequity.com/portfolio ) there aren't a lot of survivors in 2018.