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Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by logfromblammo on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @01:37PM (#16577957)
We cannot accept your return, Mr. Costanza; this book has been flagged.

This only stops gormless shoppers from making reasonable returns. Everyone else will do a chargeback for credit purchases, or file a complaint in small claims for cash purchases. The moxious will call their credit card company right at the returns desk and ask if they need a photograph of the posted return policy.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by kalcode on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @02:28PM (#16578511)
Well if you do and you constantly do chargebacks then you will get hit with fraud from your credit card company.
Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by cwkoss on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @04:32PM (#16579516)
What does it mean for a CC company to 'hit' someone 'with fraud'?
Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by kalcode on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @11:43AM (#16585557)
They hit you with 'Chargeback fraud'. They can cancel your card, put it on your credit history redcord and can choose to press charges.
Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by logfromblammo on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @12:43PM (#16586050)
Has this actually happened to you or any of your acquaintances?

The retail-dispute resolution clauses of most credit agreements are very biased towards the consumer. If you can document that you made at least one good-faith effort at resolving the issue yourself before requesting that the credit issuer handle it for you, then the retailer has to overcome the presumption that the customer is always right in the arbitration.

As it's all about the money and private agreements, it is always possible that someone who has more of it than you could use it to buy a more favorable outcome. But it is also very unlikely that anyone would ever see a criminal indictment over credit fraud before the damages exceed thousands of dollars. No credit company wants to lose customers because they got a reputation for grassing on their customers, but they would want to discourage their petty frauds--they know they have some, with statistical certainty--from growing worse by occasionally prosecuting the worst of the grand frauds.

If HSBC can knowingly launder drug money, and Wells Fargo can knowingly open fake accounts, a credit bank can knowingly screw the retailer when one of their credit customers does a bogus chargeback just because the cashier was rude at the checkout.

I won't say bogus chargebacks are not a problem, but there is a threshold below which it does not negatively affect the revenue of the bank, so no one there will be paid to care about it. A computer program might evaluate it. It might get randomly selected for human auditing. And most people are mostly honest, so the fraud rate would still be low, even if no one policed it more than a token amount. The credit banks's mission isn't to catch the frauds; it's to make money. So they catch just the right amount of frauds in order to make the most money.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by gknoy on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @01:42PM (#16578024)
> The moxious will call their credit card company right at the returns desk and ask if they need a photograph of the posted return policy.

Thank you! That's an excellent suggestion!

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by devy on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @02:33PM (#16578554)
Most return policies these days has provisions that say they reserve the right to refuse returns. Also it's a huge hassle to go through a small claim court or call credit card companies (even credit card companies flags you if you make repeated calls for chargebacks.)
Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by logfromblammo on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @03:15PM (#16578900)
Those processes are also burdensome to the retailer. That's the whole point of accepting returns in the first place, because it reduces hassle for everyone. If you stop accepting returns, you're back to the old way of doing things, plus your old customer is also blasting your intransigence over social media and driving new customers away.

If I can't return an item, I will be much more cautious about buying in the first place. As I am already very cheap, that usually means the time horizon for me to make a buying decision now spans well beyond the time I am spending in the store. Which means I will be elsewhere when thinking about a purchase. Which means that when I finally do decide to buy, I then have to decide from where.

Even if I never return an item, reducing the consequences of me making a wrong choice when buying something makes me more likely to actually spend my money. This means liberal return policies, price-match guarantees, in-stock guarantees for sale items, etc.

I don't know how much they actually lose to returns fraud, but I do know how much they never gain because I don't even bother to shop there any more.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by kalcode on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @04:35PM (#16579541)
>If you stop accepting returns

They are trying to stop people who abuse the policies, not returns altogether. The article never says the retailers are making a move to stop returns from everyone. That kinda defeats the point you are trying to make.

>If I can't return an item, I will be much more cautious about buying in the first place.

Sounds like its working then. The point is the customers that feel they don't need to research an item they are purchasing cause they can 'just return it' are the ones they want to be more cautious about buying in the first place cause you are costing them more money.

Really sounds like you are arguing against a scenario that isn't taking place. You are actually bringing up points that made them decide to do this. They can deter constant returners from using returns as a 'try any item you like and return it' and also deter return frauds.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by moriarty-s3a on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @05:17PM (#16579887)
The main point of accepting returns is to reduce the cognitive overhead and friction of a potential customer's purchasing decision and make them more likely to spend money with you right now. If a retailer doesn't accept returns then potential customers are more likely to shop around for price or selection and become less likely to buy from you at all, and if they do buy from you, it will likely be later, thus costing them some cash flow. Accepting returns makes people buy more stuff and buy it earlier than they would otherwise. And they are more likely to buy it from you specifically.

The primary problem in retail generally isn't revenue or margin, it is cash flow. Creating additional customers or even encouraging customers to purchase sooner than they otherwise would have is a huge win.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by logfromblammo on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @06:04PM (#16580288)
The have introduced the possibility that a false positive will prevent a non-abusing customer from processing a return.

"Dozens of shoppers have complained on Twitter, Facebook, Yelp and other online forums that they were prevented from making returns despite following the store’s policy."

According to the article, the scenario is taking place, in an arbitrary and capricious fashion, such that BB is making fraudulent claims about its return policy. When shoppers buy there, they expect the policy will be honored; without that expectation, the sale might not have taken place.

Indeed, if you reverse the conditional, you are likely to have a very high percentage of the people who end up returning items attributing a large fraction of their buying decision to the return policy.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by kalcode on Wednesday March 14, 2018 @11:40AM (#16585525)
Yes their implementation seems to be overly aggressive.

To me if you are saving more money by having this than not, why make it so aggressive? Better to catch the few then catch customers that aren't taking advantage of it and not catch every abuser.

Re:How Your Returns Are Used Against You at Best Buy, Other ... by lotsofpulp on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @02:46PM (#16578672)
Then you ban the person. And your credit card will drop you too if you keep doing charge backs.