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Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by baybal2 on Monday March 12, 2018 @06:42AM (#16567227)
Novumind, they showed their engineering samples few months ago. And yes, they got quite close to their initial promise of 3 teraflops per watt.

Cambricon - possibly a scam, though also claims performance on an equal level with moderately sound technical approach. They never released much info other than fancy CG videos.

Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by ipsum2 on Monday March 12, 2018 @07:09AM (#16567333)
I can't find much information about Novumind (NovuTensor is their product) nor Cambricon. NovuTensor seems to be only doing inference , and only a specific type of inference (judging from their hardware, probably only images), which is a lot simpler to speed up than the training that TPUs do.

I'd take the statement "Unknown Chinese company beating Google with fewer resources and less time" with a huge grain of salt.

Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by deepnotderp on Monday March 12, 2018 @08:22AM (#16567682)
FWIW, there are other small companies that have made amazing chips, like Adapteva and REX Computing.
Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by deepnotderp on Monday March 12, 2018 @08:20AM (#16567672)
Uhhh.

NovuMind only does 3x3 convolutions. Literally a hard burnt ASIC. Also, the TPU's efficiency is close. (Btw both their "FLOPs/watt " numbers are useless, they don't account for utilization)

And Cambricon... well, I'll just leave it at that...

Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by baybal2 on Monday March 12, 2018 @09:14AM (#16567903)
I don't think that relevant. For running NNs, this is pretty much all what you need from an asic hardware - raw floating point matrix multiplications per second. And measuring how much power it takes for it to do so is a good measure of power efficiency.
Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by deepnotderp on Monday March 12, 2018 @09:27AM (#16567978)
Pretty sure the novumind chip has hard coded the Winograd 3x3 convolution algorithm.
Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by baybal2 on Monday March 12, 2018 @10:37AM (#16568374)
You seem to be pretty knowledgeable in the subject. Are you someone working in the field? IC designer?
Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by dgacmu on Monday March 12, 2018 @11:24AM (#16568734)
psst, click their username: "Founder of a deep learning chip startup called Vathys.ai (YC Winter 2018)."

:)

(Edited to answer the below question: Dave Andersen - http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/

I'm back at CMU full time, but was having too much fun at Google to quit entirely.)

Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by deepnotderp on Monday March 12, 2018 @12:22PM (#16569193)
Yup, guilty as charged :)

EDIT: Question answered :)

Re:Intel Fights for Its Future by deepnotderp on Monday March 12, 2018 @12:21PM (#16569180)
Yep, Vathys; W18