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Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by mindslight on Friday March 09, 2018 @01:34PM (#16553790)
Your comments generally tend to be insightful, but this one is downright terrible.

If there's a correlation between using surveillance-based email and income, it's likely positive - the well paid people are the most wed to the overarching power structure that surveillance supports, and the technically inclined ones are most likely to be directly working for the surveillance companies!

Yes, the surveillance industry takes advantage of disadvantaged people in the same manner that Bank of America does. That's not the topic of discussion or the focus of the OP.

"Privilege" pity parties accomplish nothing more than derailing whataboutism. Yes, not everybody is able to pay/host their own email. For the sake of everyone, especially those who cannot choose, you'd better hope those who can will spend the effort to stop supporting the surveillance companies.

Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by DoreenMichele on Friday March 09, 2018 @01:59PM (#16553983)
I think the comment I replied is pretty terrible. The article is actually really excellent and gives practical advice as to how small time operators can effectively avoid being part of the problem by just using an AGPL license on their open source code. But that aspect is being ignored to moralize about what a terrible person you are if you use any Google services.
Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by mindslight on Friday March 09, 2018 @02:17PM (#16554128)
The original comment is directed at a community where the sheer majority have the aptitude and attention to be deliberate about technology choices. In that context, yes, we should all be trying to distance ourselves from Google. And we're all failing at it, and we can all be trying harder.

I have personally regressed a bit due to life circumstances, using a lot more bareback Chromium these days. But a lack of ability to chose a better alternative doesn't invalidate the judgment that there are indeed better options.

Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by DoreenMichele on Friday March 09, 2018 @03:00PM (#16554493)
It would be incredibly easy to frame the comment as "For those of us with the privilege such that not making such choices amounts to laziness." It isn't framed that way because the 99 percent are implicitly assumed to not exist or not read HN or something. That's inherently problematic.

If you can't even acknowledge that a large portion of the population exists, there is going to be hell to pay when your proposed solutions de facto step all over them.

Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by mindslight on Friday March 09, 2018 @03:43PM (#16554846)
How is it "inherently problematic" to write a comment on a forum for technologists in the context that its readers will be technologists?

I mean, you might as well choose any arbitrary thread about a programming language and complain that the only implementation(s) require a computer, which requires non-universally-possessed resources to obtain/upkeep, and furthermore not everybody has time to program!

Also, asserting that "99 percent" are straight up unable to choose a new email provider is preposterous.

Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by DoreenMichele on Friday March 09, 2018 @03:54PM (#16554941)
How is it "inherently problematic"

It promotes an echo chamber and is de facto exclusionary.

Minorities frequently complain that most people "bet" you will be one of the majority. If 90 percent of the time, X is true, they assume X is true in all cases rather than hedging their bet that maybe this is that 10 percent case where a woman is the boss or a person of color is the boss or the person you are speaking to is gay or whatever. It helps create an atmosphere hostile to minorities and other disempowered people.

Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by mindslight on Friday March 09, 2018 @08:45PM (#16556636)
Fighting the tyranny of probability distributions makes sense for orthogonal properties, but it's utterly nonsensical when the straightforward purpose of this forum is to facilitate discussion between technologists.
Re:Prove you are not an evil corporate person by DoreenMichele on Friday March 09, 2018 @09:05PM (#16556694)
Anyone can join. There is no requirement that you be a particular demographic.