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Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by intrasight on Friday March 09, 2018 @09:01AM (#16551762)
Iron was more expensive than gold at the dawn of the iron age. The only way humans obtained iron was from meteorites.
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by peatmoss on Friday March 09, 2018 @10:15AM (#16552263)
This is so incredibly badass. I mean, just imagine that the only practicable place to get this new, incredibly strong material, was from space.

On the topic of found vs made materials: I’ve read that shipwrecks are getting mined as a source of steel because it’s more or less impossible to make new steel that isn’t contaminated by trace amounts of radiation from 20th century nuclear testing. While not a problem for skyscrapers, certain lab equipment requires the relatively more rare variety of found steel.

Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by hdkrgr on Friday March 09, 2018 @10:49AM (#16552529)
More on the latter point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

The same effect was also used in understanding brain development by looking at Carbon isotopes in brains of people born before WW2 to determine which cells were formed when.

Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by LMYahooTFY on Friday March 09, 2018 @11:07AM (#16552677)
That's fascinating to me, I didn't realize anthropogenic radiation levels were significant enough to offer a control for molecular examination of human brains in the general population.

It's almost a bit unnerving.

Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by jacobolus on Friday March 09, 2018 @12:33PM (#16553326)
It’s not “radiation levels” per se. Nuclear bomb testing in the mid 20th century dramatically increased the amount of carbon-14 in the atmosphere, which has subsequently been gradually declining. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14#Origin
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by intrasight on Friday March 09, 2018 @12:28PM (#16553263)
Yeah, I recall reading that a couple years ago. Indeed a fascinating topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by badosu on Friday March 09, 2018 @10:36AM (#16552426)
I don't understand this statement, they could not mine iron ores but could gold ones?
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by wbl on Friday March 09, 2018 @10:40AM (#16552454)
Mining the ore isn't the problem. Extraction is. Gold is native gold, so easy to seperate. Iron requires clever furnaces and processing to produce, and it's not until recently we could make mild steel consistently.
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by sampo on Friday March 09, 2018 @02:15PM (#16554103)
Iron extraction is not very high tech after one has the know-how. But it took time to develop the knowledge.

https://primitivetechnology.wordpress.com/2016/07/29/forge-b...

Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by kragen on Friday March 09, 2018 @03:24PM (#16554678)
On a more-than-proof-of-concept scale, you have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuCnZClWwpQ, a traditional blacksmith family in Burkina Faso mining a few kilograms of iron with several person-days of work, which is probably about 1000× as productive as the Primitive Technology guy achieved (perhaps a gram of iron after about a person-day of work). But the US steel industry employs 87000 people to produce about 120 million tonnes of iron and steel per year, which works out to about 5000 kg of iron and steel per person-day. (And that's why Burkina Faso imports its iron instead of smelting it in the way demonstrated in that documentary, the way they had done for the previous 2500 years, until some French guys wrecked a Jeep there in the early 20th century.)

So there are something like six or seven orders of magnitude over which "high-tech" machinery can increase your iron productivity, or, to look at it another way, over which the price of iron can vary even once you have the know-how.

Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by badosu on Monday March 12, 2018 @08:28AM (#16567707)
Thanks for sharing, this is a really great documentary!
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by intrasight on Friday March 09, 2018 @12:26PM (#16553246)
They could not attain high enough smelting temperatures to produce quality iron.
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by intrasight on Friday March 09, 2018 @12:31PM (#16553288)
And FYI where I just heard that this week was in "The Podcast History of Our World", which is totally awesome. In one of the three "The New Kingdom" episodes.
Re:Lab-grown diamonds threaten viability of the real gems by JBlue42 on Friday March 09, 2018 @02:15PM (#16554105)
Sounds interesting. Thanks!