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Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by lmm on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:13AM (#16545239)
If the price has gone up so much, there's a financial incentive to build more until supply matches demand and prices drop to previous levels.

> These properties are barely fully booked during the summer months or holiday/peak seasons, and are empty for weeks at a time in the winter and off-seasons.

> This is such a waste and hugely frustrating for folks who live and work in these communities trying to find accomodation.

A lot of people get a lot of joy out of holidaying somewhere like Scotland in the summer. When there are limited houses and a lot of people who want to use them, there will always be winners and losers. Is it really so implausible that for a house in a scenic rural area, a succession of people renting it for a week or two each over the summer might end up getting more out of it (between them) than someone wanting to live and work in it for a whole year?

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by teh_klev on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:32PM (#16545960)
> Is it really so implausible that for a house in a scenic rural area, a succession of people renting it for a week or two each over the summer might end up getting more out of it (between them) than someone wanting to live and work in it for a whole year?

Are you really suggesting that just because you live and work in your local (scenic) rural community you couldn't possibly enjoy the surroundings just as much, if not more, than as a few fleeting transient warm bodies with suitcases could? As residents, we're quite proud of our village and surrounding rural lot and deeply care about and appreciate what we have.

Also, and ultimately, it's the local permanent residents that sustain, year round, the two pub/restaurants, the village shop and the assortment of plumber, electrician, carpenters (all of which also provide substantial local employment), not infrequent visitors occupying holiday homes that lie empty for 50% or more of the year.

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by lmm on Thursday March 08, 2018 @02:15PM (#16546797)
> Are you really suggesting that just because you live and work in your local (scenic) rural community you couldn't possibly enjoy the surroundings just as much, if not more, than as a few fleeting transient warm bodies with suitcases could?

There's got to be diminishing returns on beautiful surroundings, surely - seeing a mountain for the hundredth or thousandth time can't compete with seeing it for the first time. So better to give dozens of people a chance to see it once than have a few people see it over and over again. (Or if someone really does want to see it over and over again, they can pay what it costs).

> Also, and ultimately, it's the local permanent residents that sustain, year round, the two pub/restaurants, the village shop and the assortment of plumber, electrician, carpenters (all of which also provide substantial local employment), not infrequent visitors occupying holiday homes that lie empty for 50% or more of the year.

Well if tourists are able to pay more for housing than permanent residents then they're probably also going to be spending more on meals out, more likely to want upgraded plumbing or electrics (or damage those in an unfamiliar house).... But assuming you're right, employment is a means to an end, not a goal in itself. If someone has their heart set on a career as a chef or shopkeeper or plumber or electrician or carpenter, good for them, but that doesn't mean they're entitled to do that job in a particularly picturesque place.

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by JBlue42 on Thursday March 08, 2018 @06:07PM (#16548546)
>There's got to be diminishing returns on beautiful surroundings, surely - seeing a mountain for the hundredth or thousandth time can't compete with seeing it for the first time. So better to give dozens of people a chance to see it once than have a few people see it over and over again. (Or if someone really does want to see it over and over again, they can pay what it costs).

lol Who let in the robot?

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by teh_klev on Thursday March 08, 2018 @07:56PM (#16549070)
Sigh....I'm not even going to grace this comment with even a half thoughtful response.
Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by srtjstjsj on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:49PM (#16546104)
> s residents, we're quite proud of our village

Obviously not, if all your neighbors are renting out their homes

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by teh_klev on Thursday March 08, 2018 @01:07PM (#16546248)
Not sure if being a wee bit obtuse or I failed at detecting a smidgen of humour there.

Assuming you mean AirBNB lets, so of course not all my neighbours are renting out their homes as holiday lets.

If not, then why wouldn't medium to long term tenants also appreciate their village and local surroundings.

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by astura on Thursday March 08, 2018 @04:26PM (#16547757)
It's entirely possible the units are being bought by absentee investors rather than residents.
Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by andrewjl on Thursday March 08, 2018 @02:26PM (#16546894)
Assuming we're still talking about free markets, there are two solutions:

1) Build enough housing for everyone, tourists and locals alike. 2) Ban short-term rentals entirely.

Option 1 might alter the surroundings or vibes, but option 2 will destroy the tourist-dependent component of the local economy, which for many places IS the economy.

Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by guelo on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:14PM (#16545815)
The end state of your efficient market fetish is that the lower classes will only be able to live in the least desirable areas, everywhere else will be reserved for the use of the richer classes.
Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by FrozenTuna on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:39PM (#16546019)
The fact that there will always be winners and losers doesn't excuse the ethics or issues of winners winning more and losers losing more.
Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by lmm on Thursday March 08, 2018 @02:51PM (#16547094)
Exactly, which is what allocating housing in desirable places exclusively to those who already live there would do.
Re:What Airbnb Did to New York City by smogcutter on Thursday March 08, 2018 @01:00PM (#16546193)
>> Is it really so implausible that for a house in a scenic rural area, a succession of people renting it for a week or two each over the summer might end up getting more out of it (between them) than someone wanting to live and work in it for a whole year?

Yes.