Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by jon_hendry on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @06:52PM
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Sigh.
Everyone has one or two symptoms, a little, occasionally. To actually have a personality disorder you have to have lots of symptoms, often, to a severity that it causes problems in your life.
Lots of people have occasional headaches. You could also say those people have symptoms of a brain tumor. But that would be stupid because they lack many other symptoms of a brain tumor.
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by j_baker on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @09:08PM
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I think the point of the article was to suggest that personality disorders are a continuum rather than a binary thing. I don't know if this is correct, but it seems a bit more logical than a "you either have it or you don't" philosophy.
"... many in the psychiatric community are worried that the further the guidelines are expanded, the more likely it will become that nobody will be classed as normal any more."
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by j_baker on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @05:59PM
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I took a deviance class in College. The most important thing that I took away from the class is that deviance is normal. Everybody is deviant somehow. Granted, deviance is a sociology concept rather than a psychiatric one, but I doubt that psychiatry is much different.
After all, everyone gets physically ill. Why is it such a stretch to say that everyone gets mentally ill from time to time?
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by ascuttlefish on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @04:30PM
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I'm starting to think that much of what is considered disorderly is actually just representative of the diversity of mind within humans. Reminds me of a Robertson Davies quote from The Rebel Angels "[P]eople don’t by any means all live in what we call the present; the psychic structure of modern man lurches and yaws over a span of at least ten thousand years."
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by petercooper on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @06:14PM
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We're animals. We're diverse. We're wired radically different to all other species - our civilization demonstrates that. The wild viewpoints and ideas that come out of different mental states pull our species to a net positive.
I find it bizarre that 23% of people could not be considered to have any sort of mental disorder. Everyone I've known personally has either dealt with one of OCD, anxiety, depression, narcissism, paranoia, or low self esteem, at different stages of life. One of mine and my wife's injokes is that we can't think of any close personal friends who haven't ever been on antidepressants except ourselves.
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by marze on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @06:43PM
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If we could now adjust the cutoffs for high blood pressure and high cholesterol so as to include 77% of the population, that would totally increase the market cap of the pharmaceutical manufacturers.
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by xtho on Thursday September 02, 2010 @12:12AM
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If the disorder is the new standard, then the underlying notion of a "normal" personality would become useless. Maybe the concept was wrong right from the beginning. It's interesting though that e.g. for Freud normality rather was something like the majority's disorder -- not the absence of neuroses/psychoses. (At least in Totem and taboo.)
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by wooster on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @11:07PM
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Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by angusgr on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @07:42PM
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I think I see what you're getting at here, and I agree that unstigmatizing mental illness is important. But does "everyone" really need "help" from the psychiatric profession?
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by smeatish on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @08:01PM
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If "help" came to mean applying tenets from Positive Psychology, then I'm all for it. If "help" means drugs as so often is the case, then I hope not.
You can spend a lifetime "fixing" all your problems, or you can get on with your life and focus on your positive strengths and learn to manage the negative.
http://www.ppc.sas.upenn.edu/
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by 1053r on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @09:41PM
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Does "everyone" really need "help" from the medical profession? The dental profession? I think you may be showing signs of stigmatizing mental illness yourself a bit, there.
Re:77% of the population have symptoms of personality disorder?
by angusgr on Wednesday September 01, 2010 @11:56PM
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I'm not the one who downvoted you, so I thought I'd reply. Cos you kind of have a point.
But I'd argue that a psychiatrist is a medical specialist in the same way that a cardiologist or a urologist is. Everyone needs to be aware of their cardiac health and see their General Practitioner if they have concerns. Not everyone needs to be diagnosed with a disease by a cardiologist. Ditto mental health.
Everyone has one or two symptoms, a little, occasionally. To actually have a personality disorder you have to have lots of symptoms, often, to a severity that it causes problems in your life.
Lots of people have occasional headaches. You could also say those people have symptoms of a brain tumor. But that would be stupid because they lack many other symptoms of a brain tumor.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66Q4BJ20100727
"... many in the psychiatric community are worried that the further the guidelines are expanded, the more likely it will become that nobody will be classed as normal any more."
After all, everyone gets physically ill. Why is it such a stretch to say that everyone gets mentally ill from time to time?
I find it bizarre that 23% of people could not be considered to have any sort of mental disorder. Everyone I've known personally has either dealt with one of OCD, anxiety, depression, narcissism, paranoia, or low self esteem, at different stages of life. One of mine and my wife's injokes is that we can't think of any close personal friends who haven't ever been on antidepressants except ourselves.
It's the most successful virus.
Everybody has problems, hangups, or just weird quirks. Masking off problems of people while dealing with them makes life easier.
You can spend a lifetime "fixing" all your problems, or you can get on with your life and focus on your positive strengths and learn to manage the negative. http://www.ppc.sas.upenn.edu/
But I'd argue that a psychiatrist is a medical specialist in the same way that a cardiologist or a urologist is. Everyone needs to be aware of their cardiac health and see their General Practitioner if they have concerns. Not everyone needs to be diagnosed with a disease by a cardiologist. Ditto mental health.