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Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by johnvanommen on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:02PM (#16540358)
I've worked for a couple of companies that have IPO'd. One thing I've noticed is that the people who are investing in the companies want the companies to be a specific size.

For instance, let's say you have a company that's making an app. Your company is ten people. The venture capitalists will often throw money at your company to grow it to a larger size.

I can only speculate on why this is, but I would guess that it's easier for them to sell the company for a large price if the company itself is relatively large.

For instance, HPE paid $1.1 billion for Nimble Storage. They have 1100 employees. If Nimble only had 30 employees would they be able to justify that valuation? Probably not.

Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by TaylorGood on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:36PM (#16540626)
At dinner last night with a VC, company sizes came up.

One of the most appealing business models, which I shared is DNVB's(1). For example, NATIVE, the deodorant brand I use. Had four employees, 1m customers, in business for 2.5 years and just sold for $100m to P&G(2). Yes please.

(1) https://medium.com/@dunn/the-future-of-brands-6682841bd4

(2) https://www.racked.com/2018/1/19/16905724/natural-deodorant-...

Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by shanghaiaway on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @09:30PM (#16541796)
4 employees, 4 years ago, before they got their investor that scaled up and sold the business.

They actually had 100s of employees at the time of sale.

Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by TaylorGood on Thursday March 08, 2018 @01:06AM (#16542650)
Thank you.. didn’t question the fact as their packages come from an outsourced fulfillment center.

To take it a step further, the formulas were likely done in a lab not their own, potentially using third party bookkeeping and what’s left? Customer service and marketing which both can be outsourced as well.

Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by daxorid on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:16PM (#16540884)
Interesting. My primary business happens to be a (bootstrapped) DNVB with comparable customer count. And despite stories such as Bonobos, etc, we have seen virtually zero interest from outside investors.

I suspect your contention is accurate only for founders who are previously "connected" to the Silicon Valley world.

Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by TaylorGood on Thursday March 08, 2018 @01:14AM (#16542676)
As mentioned above, the anecdote Native received funding I was also unaware of. However, you could continue to scale and be just as appealing for M&A. What’s your DNVB angle? Proctor and Gamble isn’t quite “inner valley”
Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by daxorid on Friday March 09, 2018 @02:38PM (#16554294)
Without going into too much detail, it's men's apparel and accessories - primarily accessories.

Yes, P&G isn't SV. I meant more that the founding team was already pre-connected to the VC world, possibly through law school connections. They had already raised prior to P&G noticing them in the first place, and very likely leveraged those connections for an introduction to P&G.

DNVB businesses whose founding or management teams have no such connections is not in a position to even meet such people, let alone attract interest from them. Hence, we quietly bootstrap and slowly build our businesses away from any serious equity funding opportunities.

Re:Snap is laying off about 100 engineers by stctgion on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:30PM (#16540580)
A company is only people after all. Once a small start up is taken over there will be a clock ticking for a lot of the engineers who will leave when they can sell their shares. Having a larger number of people involved, including newer people (with no shares) mitigates this.