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Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by saurik on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:13PM (#16538945)
This is just pathetic. You buy a piece of hardware that could trivially keep working for 5-8 years, and it becomes actively dangerous to use, not just for the owner but to everyone else (think botnets), after 3 years because the vendor stops giving security updates for its software? This should be illegal.
Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by ashleyn on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:22PM (#16539019)
Compounding the issue, maybe not for Google's devices but certainly others', is locking the bootloader so you can't even install an aftermarket ROM derived from open-source projects that are up to date security-wise. I won't name names, but one particularly egregious offender's initials are VZW.
Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by blacksmith_tb on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:17PM (#16538981)
I am annoyed that my Nexus 6P isn't getting support longer, sure, though there's always LineageOS[1]. I'd say the lack of an SD card slot and user-hostile, hard-to-replace batteries make the 5-8 year lifespan much harder to really imagine, though.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by amyjess on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:34PM (#16539124)
Oh, it's not the battery that'll shorten the lifespan of the 5X and the 6P. It's the CPU. I've already had to replace my 5X under warranty twice. The second time was because of the bootloop problem, which will happen to every single device equipped with the Snapdragon 808 eventually.

My phone is basically living on borrowed time. And honestly, the next time it dies, I'm done with high-end devices. Having had to replace my phone twice in under two years has convinced me that I should treat my phones as if they were disposable, and so I'm going to buy my next phone at "disposable" prices. My next phone will probably be a Moto E4 or something in a similar price range (and I'd be willing to buy a $50 Chinese shitphone if only I could find one with AOSP and not some shitty custom UI).

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by ce4 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @03:24PM (#16539504)
You don't want the cheapest. Better something nice like a Xiaomi Mi A1. It is part of the Android One program (clutter free stock Android, timely updates) and doesnt cost a fortune.
Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by amyjess on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:14PM (#16540466)
I saw their webpage, and this jumped out at me:

> full metal body

Metal bodies fuck with my synesthesia—the feeling of metal on my fingers makes me ill—so that's a total dealbreaker. It has to be plastic.

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by ce4 on Thursday March 08, 2018 @08:39AM (#16544218)
I can relate to that. My SO has it too, her auditory and tactile senses being affected. Q: A nice PU bumper doesn't help either?
Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by blacksmith_tb on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:19PM (#16540496)
It looks like it can be rooted with Magisk, which makes it pretty appealing (at least if Xiaomi post factory images you can flash yourself).
Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by floatboth on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:35PM (#16540129)
Apparently you can just disable the big cores and it will boot: https://www.xda-developers.com/nexus-5x-bootloop-fix-boot-ph...

But mine's running perfectly so far. I even slightly overclocked the big cores. Changed to underclocked right now :D

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by amyjess on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:12PM (#16540438)
I tried that when my last phone died. It didn't work.

From what I saw trawling the XDA forums, there's a small percentage of bootloop victims who have all cores affected and not just the big ones, and I was part of that unlucky few.

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by kllrnohj on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:28PM (#16539066)
> after 3 years because the vendor stops giving security updates for its software? This should be illegal.

Feature updates stopped, security updates did not. The phones are still receiving monthly security patches and will continue to do so. Google did not stop those.

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by mjrpes on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:58PM (#16539297)
Security updates "are not guaranteed" after 3 years.

Source: https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/4457705

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by Notre1 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:55PM (#16539276)
From the article:

> The Nexus 6P and 5X launched with an update policy of two years for major OS updates and three years for security updates

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by netsharc on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:33PM (#16539114)
Why do I have a feeling... that their next move will be... to sandbox everything. Everything goes through Google's servers. They'll advertise it as a universal firewall that will protect you 24/7. "Having continously updated software means no more outdated software!".

And then using software that has known exploits (so old versions of Android/iOS) will be illegal...

And then they will censor comparisons of Winnie the Pooh with the dear leader...

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by bitmapbrother on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @03:51PM (#16539766)
Is it also dangerous to use your TV, router or any other electronic device that hasn't received a single update since it left the factory? Should the sale of those devices also be illegal? How many updates has the software and firmware in your car received? Shouldn't it be illegal to be on the road in a car with obsolete software? Yet, according to you it's pathetic and should be illegal to use a smartphone that's only received 2 years of OS updates and 3 years of security updates.

>You buy a piece of hardware that could trivially keep working for 5-8 years, and it becomes actively dangerous to use

Dangerous to use? In case you weren't aware, the majority of the damage inflicted on consumers and businesses is perpetrated by IOT botnets and infected Windows computers.

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by fny on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:42PM (#16539176)
Before you say it should be strictly illegal, consider a few consequences:

- You're going to end up paying for that support in the cost of the phone or through annual licensing anyway. Would you really prefer that vs buying a new phone with latest gizmos vs buying a second-hand phone with semi-latest gizmos?

- You've just created a moat for larger companies who can absorb the costs of maintaining older systems.

The only issue I see here is the bot-net threat. That's a negative externality that no one's responsible for currently, and we can definitely be more creative about the policy than forcing people to support old tech.

Maybe we force users to run software without known vulnerabilities? Perhaps then people would then demand more open technologies, but perhaps it'll further entrench the disposable tech paradigm.

Maybe we just force companies to open source unmaintained software? Maybe we do this in tandem with above?

Maybe we only penalize companies and organizations with a certain sized user base?

The possibility space is really massive, and we technologists really need to sit down and think through the ramifications of each proposal.

Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by x0x0 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:18PM (#16538986)
buy an iphone. Vote with your wallet.
Re:Google ends major OS support for Nexus phones and Pixel t... by msla on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:24PM (#16539031)
> You buy a piece of hardware that could trivially keep working for 5-8 years, and it becomes actively dangerous to use, not just for the owner but to everyone else (think botnets), after 3 years because the vendor stops giving security updates for its software? This should be illegal.

The simple way to make it illegal to produce potential botnet-hosts is to force manufacturers to remotely brick all hardware they no longer support.