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Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by Avshalom on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:48PM (#16533210)
300$ USD is ~25% of a entry level workers monthly pay (net) in the US. Housing frequently hits between 50-30%, transportation another ~20%. Which means buy a 300$ anything means not eating that month for a large % of the US. Obviously Patagonia is still running which means there are enough people who can spare that but it's not universal (see the Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Inequality).

ETA: 300$ = 25% => 1200 a month net => 1500 gross (if no state taxes) => 9.38 an hour IF we assume the completely unrealistic 40/week

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by icebraining on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:57AM (#16535811)
Which means buy a 300$ anything means not eating that month for a large % of the US.

Or, it means you have to save for more than a month to buy a jacket. Which, assuming it lasts a decent number of years, seems reasonable.

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by bluesroo on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @01:40PM (#16538663)
Assuming someone's income is that low, they can't just spend multiple months saving up for each and every article of clothing. That also means forgoing saving for anything else. What good is just a warm jacket when it is below 10F outside? Or when my car breaks down and I need to choose between that single jacket and a new alternator?

There is no long term if I can't survive the short term to get there. So in this situation, you buy the cheapest you can to ensure that you can at least make it to tomorrow.

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by IntronExon on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @07:10PM (#16533314)
That sounds like a problem with depressed wages, not the price of the coat.
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by m_mueller on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:11PM (#16533592)
Exactly. Again, I will use Switzerland as an example and give a few typical salaries:

Banker in Zurich with 10y experience: 12k USD/M

Engineer in Zurich with 0y experience: 8k USD/M

so far it probably sounds pretty normal for people used to SF / NY levels right?

Here's the difference:

Mc Donald's cashier in Zurich: ~3500 USD/M

Median Salary in Zurich: ~6000 USD/M

Median Salary across Switzerland: ~5600 USD/M

These give you the low and mid points of the salary spectrum. It's just much more compressed than in the US - this Patagonia jacket should be <10% of anyone's monthly salary, probably affordable for >90% of population. If it isn't, then it would be if you take social services into account that are designed to correct for such market mistakes that leave people behind in poverty.

And this is Switzerland, mind you, probably the most US-like libertarian and decentrally governed place in Europe. All of this would be affordable to Americans if your government wouldn't just pander to the big corporations and throw out money by the boatloads for insanely overpriced defence contracts.

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by Avshalom on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:30PM (#16533669)
>> most US-like libertarian and decentrally governed place in Europe.

Ah that's your problem the US economic model is punitive, not libertarian.

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by ridewinter on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:05AM (#16535629)
Switzerland is a small country benefitting from being the hub of a disproportional amount of global banking and commodity trading. I think that props up the minimum wage at McDonalds. That being said, the pride that the Swiss - from a McDonald’s worker to bus driver - show in their jobs is noticeable to this American.
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by m_mueller on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:30AM (#16535730)
Banking revenue is 7-9% of Swiss GDP, on par with many industrial nations. Commoditie Trades are disproportionate to Switzerland’s size for sure, but I fail to see how that translates to salaries in McDonalds - their main target market is hardly bankers and commodity traders. I think it has much more to do with the social safety net which imposes an implicit minimal wage (companies have to offer something significantly above what one can get from the government).
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by Avshalom on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @07:13PM (#16533332)
Welcome to the USA?
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by IntronExon on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @07:16PM (#16533352)
Absolutely, but my point is that the cost is reasonable, the wages are not, and that implies a fix. Moreover, the fix doesn’t lie with Patagonia. Even more, if the true cost of things like clothing weren’t extermslized brutally, Americans would be far more aware of the pressing need for said fix.
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by Avshalom on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @07:27PM (#16533412)
I certainly agree that 300$ USD should be completely reasonable for something that lasts half a decade, I'm just not sure how to get from here to there realistically (well in the 5-10 year short term).
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by user5994461 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:49PM (#16533743)
I don't know how you can consider any $300 clothes reasonable. It doesn't cost a tenth of that to make and deliver.
Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by Avshalom on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:54PM (#16533761)
>for something that lasts half a decade

Personally I made ~11000 USD last year: I consider $30 to be unaffordable, that's not the same as believing I should have to consider it unaffordable.

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by llao on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:05AM (#16535380)
> It doesn't cost a tenth of that to make and deliver.

Well, not if you have a conscience about our ecosystem.

Re:The dirty industry of fast fashion is causing an environm... by OrganicMSG on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:39AM (#16535963)
You ever sewn any? Some clothing is incredibly labour intensive.