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Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by gaius on Friday March 02, 2018 @04:05PM (#16505685)
mean literally generates hate, as in, put a bunch of people with diverse perspectives on Twitter and by the end of the day they hate each other more than when they started

This is entirely by design. The emotions that generate engagement with social media are outrage, jealousy, gloating, fomo, loneliness. Even if the people running it didn’t consciously decide (tho’ I bet they knew) the algorithms would have figured it out. The entire concept of social media is toxic. And all to show you more ads.

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by rainbowmverse on Friday March 02, 2018 @10:24PM (#16507659)
>> The entire concept of social media is toxic. And all to show you more ads.

Social media funded by venture capital, maybe. Most Mastodon instances big enough to need outside funding run on a few Patreon or Liberapay contributions. The main one gets enough for the developer to work on it full time.

Social media doesn't have to be the way Facebook and Twitter convinced people it has to be.

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by jdp23 on Friday March 02, 2018 @11:08PM (#16507807)
Well said. Social networks don't have to have an exploitative business model; Facebook and Twitter aren't the only possible models.
Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by mkempe on Friday March 02, 2018 @11:31PM (#16507881)
It seems that the previous, open, free social platforms are dead or agonizing -- from Usenet newsgroups to blogs, RSS readers, and even mailing lists. 90+% of my immediate family and relatives only communicate via Facebook. All of my past colleagues only communicate via LinkedIn. None of them have personal websites or blogs.

So, what are the successful, alternative models that I can use today with like-minded people, family, or friends?

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by stryk on Saturday March 03, 2018 @03:36AM (#16508471)
IRC still works a treat
Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by bornonline1 on Saturday March 03, 2018 @09:03AM (#16509285)
Sms, calling, talking irl.
Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by intended on Saturday March 03, 2018 @08:41AM (#16509216)
The mistake made here is assuming the issue is social networks and not people.

Media has gotten increasingly vile with every new iteration of attention absorption.

People and human brains are the issue.

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by gaius on Saturday March 03, 2018 @09:24AM (#16509362)
People and human brains are the issue

Yes and no. As a human you have certain behaviours or reflexes or instincts that have been programmed into you by evolution. They operate without conscious thought, because they have to. They mostly are about the tribe or the pack if you will; straying too far from that tribe would compromise your survivability, being ostracised by the tribe meant certain death. Those instincts have been weaponised by Twitter and Facebook, they carefully set things up to push the buttons that trigger the urge to form a mob, or the terror of being left out or pushed out. They trigger the serotonin rewards of feeling like one of the tribe when you do what they want (engagement) and they keep you in line with threat of punishment if you don’t participate, retweet this, like that.

We’ve been hacked in other words.

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by IntronExon on Friday March 02, 2018 @08:59PM (#16507388)
I think you’re being too generous. Even if the creators didn’t know what you’re describing going in, and as you say they almost certainly did, they’ve had plenty of time to learn. Yet, they’ve optimized for conflict, for clicks and maximum engagement. All as you say, to sell more Coke and shaving cream.

The most frustrating part is the tendency of these companies to frame their callous and destructive business model in terms of Orwellian positivity. Everyone who is making a new app to record and share the sounds of your pet taking a shit is “changing the world.”

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by threeseed on Friday March 02, 2018 @11:17PM (#16507837)
> This is entirely by design

No it's not and it's frankly insulting and factually baseless to suggest Twitter is deliberately sowing discord in order to sell more ads. Ever thought comments like yours are part of the problem too ?

The fact is that Twitter and Facebook are reflections of who we are as people. We are the ones who chose to encourage celebrity culture by engaging with it. Which of course in turn has a whole raft of negative side effects. We encourage loneliness and intolerance by our xenophobia, racism etc. We are merely taking what happens in the schoolyard into the digital realm.

Just think though. Are Twitter and Facebook to blame when we walk past the homeless and do nothing ? When we never listened to sexual abuse victims of people like Weinstein and Trump ? How about our politicians behaviour ?

Re:“We’re committing Twitter to increase the health and civi... by gaius on Saturday March 03, 2018 @02:23AM (#16508323)
No it's not and it's frankly insulting and factually baseless to suggest Twitter is deliberately sowing discord in order to sell more ads

Two words: algorithmic timeline