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Re:YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asia... by candiodari on Friday March 02, 2018 @04:27AM (#16500174)
Based on those assumptions, which I'll iterate below first, let's get the numbers:

1) hiring based on IQ, cutoff at 2 standard deviations above the global mean (mu = 100, sigma = 15, by design), 2 sigma above that makes 130. You get hired if you're the candidate with the highest IQ, if you satisfy the minimum of an IQ of 130

2) 8/20 hispanic, 8/20 white, 1.16/20 black, 2.6/20 asians (and let's just pretned that sums to 100%). Or: 40% hispanic, 40% white, 5.8% black, 13% asian

3) let's assume 1000 candidates for each position.

So each round has 1000 candidates: 400 hispanics, IQ taken from N(90, 15) 400 whites, IQ taken from N(100, 15) 58 black, IQ taken from N(85, 15) 130 asians, IQ taken from N(105, 15)

The numbers: 33.42% Asians, 10.85% Hispanic, 0.54% Black, 55.20% White

Odds of getting hired under those criteria: 0.25% Asians, 0.02% Hispanics, 0.01% Black, 0.13% White

And that's why nobody's going to be happy with expected outcomes. Just imagine the (completely "fair") news headline "Asians 25 TIMES more likely to get hired than blacks in the bay area".

  import random

  counts = {'h': 0, 'w': 0, 'b': 0, 'a': 0, None: 0}
  experiments = 10000

  for x in range(experiments):
    candidates = []
    for h in range(400):
      iq = random.normalvariate(90, 15)
      candidates.append((iq, 'h'))
    for w in range(400):
      iq = random.normalvariate(100, 15)
      candidates.append((iq, 'w'))
    for b in range(58):
      iq = random.normalvariate(85, 15)
      candidates.append((iq, 'b'))
    for a in range(130):
      iq = random.normalvariate(105, 15)
      candidates.append((iq, 'a'))

    # filter iq > 130
    candidates = [(iq, typ) for (iq, typ) in candidates if iq > 130]

    if candidates:
      selected = sorted(candidates, key=lambda (x,y):x)[0][1]
    else:
      selected = None
    
    counts[selected] += 1
       
  total = sum(counts.values())

  print total
  for k, v in counts.items():
    print "%s %2.2f" % (k, 100.0 * v/total)
  
  print "odds of hire if hispanic : %2.4f%%" % (100.0*counts['h']/experiments / 400)
  print "odds of hire if white : %2.4f%%" % (100.0*counts['w']/experiments / 400)
  print "odds of hire if black : %2.4f%%" % (100.0*counts['b']/experiments / 58)
  print "odds of hire if asian : %2.4f%%" % (100.0*counts['a']/experiments / 130)
  print "odds of no hire at all: %2.4f%%" % (100.0*counts[None]/experiments)
Re:YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asia... by sin7 on Friday March 02, 2018 @09:52AM (#16501779)
> Odds of getting hired under those criteria: 0.25% Asians, 0.02% Hispanics, 0.01% Black, 0.13% White

> about 2% of employees would be black, 5% Hispanic, 30% white and 63% Asian.

These two comments say the same thing. Mine is standardized.

Your take away from all this is a little strange. The Google numbers say that Asians are 25 times more likely to be hired than blacks. That has happened in real life. No one complains about that. I have read that Google is too Asian though.

People harp about less-talented people not deserving to be there, but that is already the case. From a statistical point of view, Whites are over represented at the expense of Hispanics and Asians with a higher IQ. Real life is messy, but you get the idea.

This battle has been fought already and enough people at Google were convinced that there was a bias in their hiring practices. So, now they are in the process of correcting.

Re:YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asia... by danieltillett on Friday March 02, 2018 @05:52AM (#16500506)
You are going to have trouble fitting all of this into a tweet.
Re:YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asia... by 1337biz on Friday March 02, 2018 @07:00AM (#16500788)
It has math and numbers. Nobody interested in that on Twitter anyway.
Re:YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asia... by alanlovestea on Friday March 02, 2018 @06:54PM (#16506832)
What does the first number in N(90, 15) mean? the median IQ of a given race? I guess the truth is hurting people's feeling.
Re:YouTube Hiring for Some Positions Excluded White and Asia... by candiodari on Friday March 02, 2018 @08:20PM (#16507238)
It's shorthand for a normal distribution with mu=90 sigma=15.