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Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by chrisseaton on Thursday March 01, 2018 @09:33AM (#16492268)
> NATO went too far with deploying anti-ICBM systems right next to Russia's border

How can it be too far to install an anti-missile system on your own territory? That seems eminently reasonable and uncontroversial to me. It's not even a euphemism is it? It literally is purely a defensive system?

It's like saying you provoked a burglar by putting a bigger lock on your door.

I've seen this opinion put forward and I don't really get it - wondering what your underlying principles to reach that opinion are?

Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by justin66 on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:23AM (#16493272)
> How can it be too far to install an anti-missile system on your own territory? That seems eminently reasonable and uncontroversial to me. It's not even a euphemism is it? It literally is purely a defensive system?

This is an old argument that goes back to the cold war. ABM systems were prohibited by treaty because an effective ABM system is not purely a defensive system. It breaks the deadlock described by Mutually-Assured Destruction. MAD means neither side can rationally initiate a first strike because an attack will result in the destruction of both sides. An ABM system that actually works, controlled by only one side, means that side can make a first strike and not be destroyed.

That is not necessarily an argument against developing defensive systems. During the eighties one thing people suggested for addressing this was to essentially give US-developed ABM technology to the USSR, or to jointly develop the technology, etc. The system's deployment would be followed by a gradual reduction in nuclear stockpiles by both sides. The thinking being, if both sides possess the defensive technology the amount of tension involved in reducing nuclear stockpiles and achieving disarmament is reduced. None of that went anywhere.

Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by MadcapJake on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:10AM (#16493131)
> It's like saying you provoked a burglar by putting a bigger lock on your door.

This is a poor analogy due to a nation-state not being analogous to a burglar. Especially due to a burglar being a deviant and a nation-state not (inherently) being a deviant. Also in your scenario, one party is deviant and the other is protecting their home (one-sided).

A defensive act like setting up missile shields runs counter to "mutually assured destruction" (it's not so mutual when one side has a missile shield).

Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by Const-me on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:46AM (#16493570)
> and a nation-state not (inherently) being a deviant.

I think modern Russia is a deviant. Here’s a recent news about high-ranking officials doing large-scale international drug trafficking, using a government jet for that:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-argent...

Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by cgmg on Saturday March 03, 2018 @10:01AM (#16509492)
What do you mean by “a nation-state not being a deviant”? Any nation-state that used nuclear weapons to attack would most definitely be a deviant.
Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by ionised on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:09AM (#16493111)
How is it different than the USSR putting missile bases in Cuba during the Cold War?
Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by chrisseaton on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:16AM (#16493197)
These are anti-missile missiles. They can only strike other missiles in the air (unless you know more about the tech than I do). The USSR's missiles in Cuba were missiles to strike land targets.
Re:Russia has developed a nuclear-powered cruise missile by ionised on Thursday March 01, 2018 @11:25AM (#16493307)
Yes but the agreement between the two sides was that they wouldn't put military forces near each other's borders. I think Turkey counts.