Re:China using big data to detain people before crime is com...
by leggomylibro on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @04:37PM
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Fair enough, I'm not very steeped in the intricacies of Lord of the Rings. I got the feeling that it was the nature of their power and omniscience that corrupted most individuals who used them, sort of like the Ring, but that could be completely wrong.
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by dekhn on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @04:45PM
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That's completely wrong. The Palantiri were created by the Noldor (one of the powerful old races of elves) and used without corruption, and then given to the Numenoreans as a gift; they were used for a long time without corruption. They were so powerful that even Sauron could not make arbitrary images appear. But the weak-minded were easily influenced by him through it; not through the nature of the stones.
The ring was created by Sauron and embedded most of his life-force, and nobody alive at the time of the LotR had enough strength to resist his will.
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by SketchySeaBeast on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @05:08PM
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The exception being Tom Bombadil, but he is a strange creature.
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by pmontra on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @06:30PM
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You'll probably enjoy this essay "Oldest and Fatherless: The Terrible Secret of Tom Bombadil" https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html
Re:China using big data to detain people before crime is com...
by SketchySeaBeast on Thursday March 01, 2018 @09:52AM
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Ok, that was awesome. I don't buy it at all (if Sauron was indeed a threat to Tom, or if Tom could be bound by the art of the Valar, I feel as though the ring would effect him as well), but it was a really fun read.
A fun thought invoked by this, and given Tolkien's intent to create a creation myth for our Earth, is somewhere out there Tom still sits in his forest, waiting, for when the might of the Valar fades. Feels almost Lovecraftian.
Re:China using big data to detain people before crime is com...
by pmontra on Sunday March 04, 2018 @02:42PM
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Oh, if you're also in Lovecraftian horrors you should read this paper https://arxiv.org/abs/1210.8144
"Possible Bubbles of Spacetime Curvature in the South Pacific"
Re:China using big data to detain people before crime is com...
by dekhn on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @05:32PM
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oh, yeah, sorry, I left that out, but that's a subtle issue, because it's not clear whether he is actually a creature, or an embodiment of nature.
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by YeGoblynQueenne on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @06:02PM
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That must be why he was left out of the movies.
/s
Re:China using big data to detain people before crime is com...
by dekhn on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @07:54PM
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There's a lot of writing about the omission that I think explains Jackson's thinking (and it's clear he thought about this).
Personally I think Tom is one of the most important moments of the book, but not as part of the plot; rather, it's fascinating to somebody who considers the LoTR as an archetypal myth, because Tom's identity is intentionally kept mysterious, even when his powers are not.
Re:China using big data to detain people before crime is com...
by leggomylibro on Wednesday February 28, 2018 @05:38PM
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Oh.
Well, stuff happens; thanks.
I think the name of the company is highly apt.