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Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by itp on Monday February 26, 2018 @02:50PM (#16468359)
One of my favorite Harry Connick Jr. moments is when his audience is clapping along on 1&3 (frustrating) and he smoothly transitions them to 2&4. Extra fun to see how happy his drummer is with the change (visible cheering arms behind Harry after one of the camera angle switches).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=26&v=--qv9SI6vws

Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by agumonkey on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @10:45AM (#16474379)
Oh god that was smooth as ...

I remember Bobby McFerring being capable of playing audiences in surprising ways too. (funny since Youtube suggested him on that HCJr video)

Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by archagon on Monday February 26, 2018 @02:59PM (#16468426)
I don’t understand why 1&3 is frustrating? Seems like the natural way to clap/tap/bob to that particular beat.
Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by DanBC on Monday February 26, 2018 @03:10PM (#16468541)
I don't understand it either.

Here's an earlier submission that explains it a bit: Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8538623

Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by archagon on Monday February 26, 2018 @03:23PM (#16468635)
Fascinating! Never really thought about this before, thanks for the link.

(Come to think of it, this seems very song-dependent. For instance, I definitely find myself clapping on 2&4 to "Thriller" and "I Heard It Through The Grapevine". But I think I'd still clap 1&3 to some of my favorite classic rock and metal songs. Also, I felt 1&4 pretty strongly in that Harry Connick Jr. clip. Maybe they're just clapping too fast: if they were only doing half the claps, I think 2&4 would feel more natural.)

Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by itp on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @12:16PM (#16475528)
Fascinating to me that you picked Thriller as an example, as MJ even demonstrates a 2&4 clap during the song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnqjkJTMaA&t=5m0s

Curious what you mean by half the claps? Would this involve clapping only on every fourth beat, only on every second beat, or am I completely misunderstanding?

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Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by archagon on Monday February 26, 2018 @03:48PM (#16468832)
See my other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16468635

I can feel the backbeat pretty strongly in other music, but this clip sounds very 1&3 to me. It would be musically foolish to automatically prescribe 2&4 to every blues and jazz tune as an axiom. At that point, it just becomes a shibboleth.

Frankly, I think they're just clapping twice as fast in that clip. 2&4 sounds weird and off-rhythm at that speed (to me), but totally normal with half the claps.

(Also: now I'm going to be self-conscious about my clapping until the end of time. Thanks a lot!)

Re:Donald Glover Can't Save You by jjeaff on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @01:29PM (#16476373)
To me, 1 and 3 is just a little off kilter. It doesn't sound quite right.