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Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by CryoLogic on Monday February 26, 2018 @12:32PM (#16467091)
I worked in a very toxic post-series-A tech startup trying to get acquired. We where all expected to work 8am-10pm and the CEO would always tell us that if we wanted to move up in the company we needed to work weekends as well. Just a 15 minute break would get you a lecture on work ethic from one of the upper-management who really micromanaged engineers.

After about a year there I learned about half my team was taking Adderall to keep up. After a two week stint of working until 11am every day of the week I got called back into the office at 12:00 midnight by the CEO and the next day I had to call in sick because I was shivering and cold because of sleep depravation. I started putting out resumes that day.

Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by iooi on Monday February 26, 2018 @01:06PM (#16467422)
I wish there was a culture of naming and shaming these companies and executives. This is the sort of behavior that would be really easy for engineers to abolish by simply not working there.
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by kelnos on Monday February 26, 2018 @05:16PM (#16469479)
Unfortunately, doing so can be a risk. If the target of such comments gets wind of it, they could easily sue for defamation or libel, and possibly even win, given that it's probably hard to back up a lot of these accusations in a way that would hold up in court.
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by sanderjd on Monday February 26, 2018 @11:55PM (#16471165)
That sounds doubtful to me. I'm not a lawyer (and I don't think it sounds like you are either?) but at least in the US, my understanding is that courts grant quite a bit of latitude to people speaking freely about their own experiences. I don't really know though, but I would definitely be surprised (and incensed) to find out that this is a widespread problem.
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by kelnos on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @03:39AM (#16471966)
I wouldn't be surprised at all, and at the end of the day you can sue for anything, even if you don't believe you can win. Mounting a successful defense costs money, even if the claims are without merit.
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by sanderjd on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @08:08PM (#16479806)
Oh sure, you can sue for anything, and defending yourself is expensive. This is a problem in general, but not one worth worrying about in practice (will I get sued for writing this comment - I could!), but I'm a lot more interested in this part of your comment:

> and possibly even win, given that it's probably hard to back up a lot of these accusations in a way that would hold up in court

Assuming I didn't sign any explicit agreement (like as part of a settlement), if I say, "I did not find X to be a good employer because of Y", I do not believe it is necessary to prove Y in court in order to win a defamation suit.

But we're both guessing. I would say that your side would be easier to find evidence of, though, if you're right: do you know of, or can you find, examples of this sort of suit being brought and won?

Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by mancerayder on Monday February 26, 2018 @09:58PM (#16470782)
I have to shake my head in a mix of pity and frustration when I hear that people are prepared to damage their health for 'the startup scene', and not stand up to CEO's like that. One way to do it is, you band together. If you don't trust your colleagues to band together with, leave. However, I don't think I would have lasted even a week there.

I can understand blue collar workers in a depressed industrial town, but I can't understand elite tech workers tolerating that stuff. I think part of it is youth, and letting people boss you around without being a leader. Sometimes banishing people from your professional circle is called for. Taking a risk of losing a job by standing up for yourself is a powerful lesson to take away and you might be shocked how beneficial it can be to career growth.

Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by ironjunkie on Monday February 26, 2018 @08:10PM (#16470389)
Serious question but why would ANY engineer stay in such a company ?

There is such a high demand in the bay area for skilled engineers that there is absolutely no reason to stay into any of those startups that treat you like codemonkey. I would leave the first day I have an "ethical" remark after taking a 15` break

Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by CryoLogic on Monday February 26, 2018 @11:41PM (#16471117)
It was almost exclusively new grads
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by Eilene on Monday February 26, 2018 @05:14PM (#16469465)
How long ago was this? (also, how awful)
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by CryoLogic on Monday February 26, 2018 @06:06PM (#16469805)
2 years ago, Seattle WA. I am glad those days are over.
Re:Ask HN: I'm writing a book about white-collar drug use, i... by Eilene on Tuesday February 27, 2018 @11:08AM (#16474699)
I'm glad (for you) too.