Re:The limitations of Steven Pinker’s optimism
by truculation on Monday February 26, 2018 @01:11AM
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I suspect your dystopias have in common that they all had utopian visions. Instead of focusing on real problems and making gradual progress they kept talking about building heaven on earth. Apparently they just needed to tear down existing institutions and kill a few people first...
Re:The limitations of Steven Pinker’s optimism
by chongli on Monday February 26, 2018 @08:38AM
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Instead of focusing on real problems and making gradual progress
That's a protopia [0], not a utopia. A utopia is a radical, top-down, planned society based on some ideology.
Re:The limitations of Steven Pinker’s optimism
by vadimberman on Monday February 26, 2018 @12:30AM
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> How does any ideological utopia work without excluding anyone?
https://www.amazon.com/Polystate-Thought-Experiment-Distribu...
Re:The limitations of Steven Pinker’s optimism
by ghostcluster on Monday February 26, 2018 @02:52AM
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don't count modern day China out.
supposedly they're maintaining 120,000 person concentration camps for their stubborn ethnic minorities in the western region.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/25/at-least-12000...
How does any ideological utopia work without excluding anyone? I have yet to see a satisfactory answer. The paradox of tolerance would suggest that utopias are impossible, at least with human beings.