China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nobody wants

Re:China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nob... by _cs2017_ on Thursday February 22, 2018 @10:36PM (#16443993)

1) Absolutely agree, the Chinese government after the war was absolutely horrendous. That, however, is only slightly relevant to the question of what to do today.

2) You can always use the excuse "I don't want a billion people that I care about to go through the hell that is Syria."

3) I don't rule out that possibility at all. I'm just saying the risk that it won't work seems too high given how bad the outcome would be if it doesn't work.

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Re:China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nob... by jonathanstrange on Friday February 23, 2018 @04:30AM (#16445221)

It's a false dichotomy, as e.g. the prospering former East Bloc countries who are now part of the EU demonstrate.

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Re:China's Xinjiang surveillance is the dystopian future nob... by _cs2017_ on Friday February 23, 2018 @12:45PM (#16447904)

Of course it's possible. And much better examples of that are post war Japan and Germany. The changes there literally made them global leaders.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying it's risky, especially for China which hasn't had a history of being successful without an authoritarian government. And which had a terrible history of chaos when it didn't have a strong government.

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