> patriarchal/societal expectations .. main breadwinner

Let's be clear who expects this: women do.

Most women will stop dating a man if they discover he makes less than they do. When I was still in the Bay Area I was on match.com for a bit. >90% of the women's profiles stated they expected their match to make more than they do (even having this information in the form felt a bit weird for me).

And no, this is not because of the "pay gap", which is a myth, or because they can't. In fact, the unwillingness actually increases with income levels, so the women who could most afford it are least willing to date a guy who makes less than they do.

Right! I'm really supportive of working towards social change where a person's role in life is no longer defined by their gender.

Given that there are consistent biological[1] and psychological[2] differences between the sexes globally, I'm not sure this would be an achievable goal without hormonal modification, which would wreck the quality of life of one or both genders.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_psychology

Encouraging boys to make non-traditional career choices without making sure female marriage patterns change as well does not sound responsible to me.

I humbly suggest its none of our damn business how the women choose marriage patterns (if they choose to marry at all). Its definitely not "our responsibility".

I believe you read that the wrong way around. I'm not suggesting women change their marriage patterns.

I'm saying it is irresponsible to advice boys to make live choices that are at odds with female mating behaviour, because it adversely affects their life outcomes.

What are these "non-traditional" life/career choices you think are adversely affecting men's life outcomes due to "female mating behaviour"?

Your comments read as weirdly patriarchal, and dont reflect at all close to my experience with women.

Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women.

Here is just one study I quickly dug up, there are others confirming this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016726811...

Another one: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/pg_10?0::NO:10:P10_ETD_SUBID:113754

I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate? If you have a more solid data point than "thats not my personal experience", I'd be certainly interested in it.

>>> Income is a more important factor in rating men's attractiveness compared to women.

>>> I don't understand whats patriarchal about my comment, care to elaborate

I mean seriously, the answer is in your own comment.

Edit: I don't understand the downvotes.

His own comment implies income is an important factor to attractiveness for men then asks why is that a patriarchal thing. I'm not being patronising but it's obvious that it's expected for the man to be the bread winner which is patriarchal in nature. The man doesn't have to be the bread winner.

Why isn't a high income woman attractive?

Most men I know aren't in it for the paycheck.