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Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by thoaway1 on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:03PM (#16407562)
If more and more groups insist on forcing their ideological agenda down the throats of contributors and users maybe it's time to start hacking on projects that don't feel the need to bring politics into software.
Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by rayiner on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:09PM (#16407605)
This is the exact opposite: It's rules for how to work on code without bringing personal crap into it. Do you want a date? Do you think there is something wrong with trans people? Do you have thoughts on race relations? Nobody cares, check that baggage at the door.
Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by whatshisface on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:12PM (#16407628)
As far as I can see, the real problem here is that some forms of baggage are still allowed (an inevitable problem with any finite list of rules), meaning that you will end up with baggage imbalances and endless debate over which baggages are permissable self-expression and which ones are unacceptable.
Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by ethomson on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:32PM (#16407775)
It is not a finite list of rules. It is an explanation of the values (eg, respecting diversity) and a list of examples of things that are obviously prohibited. It is explicitly "not an exhaustive list of things that you should not do", and although it does list some _examples_ of things that are prohibited - it provides examples that are "not limited to" the ones provided.

This clearly reduces the ambiguity in the community. And even if some ambiguity does remain - which, as you point out, is inevitable - having examples of obviously impermissible behavior and a framework for conflict resolution is requisite for a community.

Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by Valmar on Monday February 19, 2018 @03:05AM (#16411464)
> It's rules for how to work on code without bringing personal crap into it.

The previous CoC did fine at this.

This new CoC almost ensures that what it's attempting to curb will inevitably happen, because of it's existence.

Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by said on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:12PM (#16407635)
"Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion."

This doesn't preclude thoughts on race-relations—if that was the goal, it would've simply said so.

We know what this means.

Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by to3m on Sunday February 18, 2018 @03:15PM (#16408189)
OK then, what does it mean?
Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by aap_ on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:13PM (#16407638)
But do people actually do that? I have not seen anything like that in technical internet communities.
Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by codemusings on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:40PM (#16407833)
Open source software is as much a social endeavor as it is a technical one. As such it is important for people to get along if a project wants to get anywhere. There are far too many developers that use their technical prowess as an excuse for their lack of basic social skills. Unfortunately the same group of developers is also almost entirely comprised of men.
Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by mrchicity on Sunday February 18, 2018 @02:57PM (#16408006)
FreeBSD's new CoC wouldn't ban a sexist comment like this, because of the odd "oppressed group" language. Hopefully it was just a copy/paste mistake from the Geek Feminism code.

There's no place in a software project for insulting someone's gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. just because it's a more typical one. There are certain toxic community members who use well-intended rules like this a shield while they proceed to insult certain groups or stereotype them.

Better to avoid that type of discussion entirely. It's a software project, not a place to discuss politics or race relations. Hopefully they take a look into this and adopt a more neutral CoC like LLVM's: https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html

Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by loeg on Sunday February 18, 2018 @03:04PM (#16408079)
FreeBSD wouldn't sanction the poster for that comment for several reasons:

1. The CoC committee acts on reports -- someone has to be bothered by it.

2. It isn't an insult.

3. It isn't sexist.

Re:New FreeBSD Code of Conduct by mrchicity on Sunday February 18, 2018 @03:15PM (#16408186)
"Unfortunately the [group engaging in negative activity] is also almost entirely comprised of [x]." where x is some immutable or deeply personal characteristic, is advancing an offensive stereotype.