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Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by always_good on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:40PM (#16402875)
I don't understand how your argument exists alongside the fact that we farm the animals that we eat.

The chicken that you buy at the grocer isn't one we swiped away just as a wolf was about it eat it. The chicken was grown indoors in a factory, likely hadn't even seen the light of day. Even a wolf-eaten wild chicken gets that courtesy.

Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by derefr on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:44PM (#16402898)
The argument I have is mostly applicable to fisheries (i.e. this discussion re: lobsters); it doesn't have much to say about farming.

Lobsters, like much of our seafood, are just plucked up out of the ocean. If we don't eat them, an otter or something does.

Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by jdietrich on Saturday February 17, 2018 @05:31PM (#16403146)
As it happens, adult American lobsters have few predators other than man. They're big, well-armored, have immensely powerful claws and live in deep burrows. Juvenile lobsters are vulnerable to ground fish, but an adult lobster is only likely to be eaten by brave seals and humans.
Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by derefr on Saturday February 17, 2018 @05:37PM (#16403167)
True enough, for now. It seems climate change has created a lobster population boom, though (they love the warmer water), so I would say it's only a matter of time before evolution takes notice of this "free lunch" and adapts some of the neighbouring predators to better get at them.
Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by bootlooped on Saturday February 17, 2018 @06:51PM (#16403531)
Whether they suffer more or less when caught vs killed naturally in the ocean, I don't know, but there are other issues with fishing in the ocean, mainly that it is unsustainable.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ocean-fish-number...

Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by megaman22 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @06:48PM (#16403513)
Lobsters are basically farmed, at this point.
Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by freehunter on Saturday February 17, 2018 @04:44PM (#16402897)
You can be against factory farming and not be a vegan.
Re:In Switzerland, it's now illegal to boil a live lobster by sildur on Saturday February 17, 2018 @06:19PM (#16403376)
A wolf-eaten chicken also gets courtesy parasites.