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Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by tobyhinloopen on Saturday February 17, 2018 @11:57AM (#16401487)
Why are we still testing on rats? Don’t we have a better method?
Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by rincebrain on Saturday February 17, 2018 @12:16PM (#16401587)
Ketamine is legal for doctors to use on humans in most parts of the world, but most humans object to brain biopsies while alive, or injections directly into the brain while the instruments are monitoring what happens in the skull.

That's one reason that the method of action for plenty of approved treatments for mental health can be "???" - human clinical trials mostly check that it's not going to {kill you, make it worse} and works better than placebo, not "what's going on inside this live human brain", until we get better live monitoring non-invasive tooling for this sort of thing in humans.

Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by aaavl2821 on Saturday February 17, 2018 @01:20PM (#16401884)
Unfortunately we don't. Definitely puts a damper on the conclusions. The optogenetic technique involves gene delivery to specific brain cells which is not yet something we're comfortable doing in humans for basic research, although there are a few drugs using this tech in clinical trials
Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by YCode on Saturday February 17, 2018 @12:46PM (#16401734)
IIRC their brain chemistry is more similar to ours than most other animals.

They do simulations and petri dish testing as well, what would a better method look like?

Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by bufferoverflow on Saturday February 17, 2018 @12:53PM (#16401762)
We know ketamine is relatively safe for humans from the recreational use.
Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by shanecleveland on Saturday February 17, 2018 @03:06PM (#16402441)
Ketamine was used to sedate my then two-year-old daughter in the ER when she needed stitches near her lip. The doc didn't want to foul up her face if she thrashed. It was definitely odd. She was awake, but no reaction AT ALL.
Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by refurb on Sunday February 18, 2018 @01:22PM (#16407337)
Ketamine gets more use in kids than adults because they tend to react better to the dissociative effects. Adults can become combative.

To your point, when the first dissociative hit the market, phencyclidine (PCP), it was a bit of a miracle drug. No respiratory depression, actually makes the heart beat a little stronger. It wasn't until the dissociative effects became more known was it withdrawn from the market.

Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by Parcissons on Saturday February 17, 2018 @12:26PM (#16401637)
If you are depressed- buy a horse.

Isnt it wonderfull how we can fix depression now, but nobody has worked on a chemical fix against beeing overly conformist behaviour? No legal drug on the market that cures a lack of rebellion.

Mysterious.

As if what is declared disease and what is declared cure, is dependant upon how usefull it is to society- but wait, rebellion could be usefull for a scientific society too- so its dependant on how adaptable the "cure" makes you for a hierarchic society.

All those pheromones the queen emits, they make the little bees work.

Re:New studies zero in on roots of depression and how ketami... by agumonkey on Saturday February 17, 2018 @12:07PM (#16401529)
go sign a study protocol and tell us