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Re:Facebook ordered to delete illegally collected data by Be... by jacquesm on Friday February 16, 2018 @01:59PM (#16394854)
They are bad arguments not because I think the end justifies the means but simply because it is very hard - impossibly hard - to imagine the intent of this law revolving around the examples you are giving. The intent of this law is to curtail some of the worst offenses when it comes to the privacy of EU citizens and that is definitely not something aimed at FB though they could very well end up in the cross hairs for enforcement because of their blatant disregard in this respect to date.

But those EU companies that are clued in as a whole are taking this pretty seriously.

Bad laws are bad laws because they have unintended consequences outside of the spirit of the law, so far I have not seen any or even a credible suggestion of such a bad consequence. Let us give it some time before we start declaring the law dead on arrival.

Re:Facebook ordered to delete illegally collected data by Be... by Radim on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:22PM (#16395748)
I see the "spirit of the law" and "intent" being thrown around here.

Elizabeth Denham, UK's information commissioner in charge of data protection enforcement, had this to say:

"Having larger fines is useful but I think fundamentally what I'm saying is it's scaremongering to suggest that we're going to be making early examples of organisations that breach the law or that fining a top whack is going to become the norm. Our office will be more lenient on companies that have shown awareness of the GDPR and tried to implement it, when compared to those that haven't made any effort."

Now, whether you trust large bureaucratic institutions to use elastic, broadly defined, excessive powers granted to them wisely, applying self-restraint for the general good, is a function of your general political leaning and life experience more than legal nuance, I suppose.

Re:Facebook ordered to delete illegally collected data by Be... by ryanwaggoner on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:12PM (#16395648)
You’re making my case for me. Of course that’s not the intent of the law, and it’s a bad law precisely because of unintended consequences, ambiguity, and unequal enforcement due to everyone being out of compliance in some way.

But you keep just falling back on what they’re trying to do, which matters less than what they’re going to end up doing.

What they’re actually going to end up doing is fail to really curb much abuse, introduce lots of costs and uncertainty, drive businesses out of the EU, worsen the UX of the internet, entrench the largest players who can afford to be mostly compliant and defend themselves legally, and further erode the concepts of national sovereignty and the ideals of the web.

How about this: if EU citizens want more privacy protections than those provided by laws of my country, stop sending HTTP requests to my server in America and asking me to send information back to them. Why the hell is it on me to figure out where those requests are coming from and what bizarre set of laws that person’s country thinks I should have to care about with regard to what I do with the content that their citizen voluntarily sent me?