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Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by Legogris on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:54AM (#16390908)
> Anyone receiving the "dividends" would not be able to claim any tax allowances, which the RSA says would act as a disincentive to wealthier earners wanting to apply for the handout.

This is an obvious way to align incentives that I haven't seen before. Negative income tax (NIT) is also something that might be worth looking into: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax#Implementa...

Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by OscarCunningham on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:04AM (#16390957)
Does "tax allowances" just mean the tax-free Personal Allowance of £11500? No one pays £10000 of tax on £11500, so it doesn't seem like it would actually stop anyone from claiming.

If the government is saying the cost will be £14.5B then they must think only 1.5M people will sign up, a tiny portion of the population. I don't quite see how they're expecting this to work.

Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by benashford on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:25AM (#16391030)
> If the government is saying the cost will be £14.5B then they must think only 1.5M people will sign up

It's not a government proposal. It's not even a proposal of the opposition, or anyone who would potentially be in a position to actually enact it.

The headline isn't wrong, but the prominence the BBC has given it could trick people into thinking its an official (or at least serious unofficial) proposal.

Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by djaychela on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:10AM (#16390972)
I think they mean more that if you're already above the tax threshold then you wouldn't get £10k, you'd get £10k minus the prevailing rate of tax - so if you already earned £11500-£34500 then you'd get £8000 (£10k-20%). If you earned £34500-£150,000 then you'd get £6000(£10k-40%), and over £150k you'd get £5500(£10k-45%).
Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by OscarCunningham on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:14AM (#16390985)
Do they really mean "We're going to make this money so tedious and bureaucratic to apply for that a middle class person wouldn't bother to do it even for £6000"?
Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by GordonS on Friday February 16, 2018 @04:31AM (#16391069)
That's hardly 'universal' then, is it? It seems this is more a way of changing how benefits are paid to low earners, rather than a real attempt at UBI.

Which is a shame; 10k could still make a significant difference to someone earning, for example, £35k (not a high earner by any stretch) - starting a business, paying for childcare etc.

Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by mseebach on Friday February 16, 2018 @02:26PM (#16395164)
That can't be it either. Giving 65 million brits even £5,500 would cost £357b

EDIT: oh, what's a million or a billion between friends?

Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by OscarCunningham on Friday February 16, 2018 @02:40PM (#16395320)
£357B
Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by amygdyl on Friday February 16, 2018 @06:38AM (#16391635)
The National Audit Office must publish the model for this system, forthwith.

Only then can debate begin.

And political parties must be compelled to publish their proposals both normalised to the NAO model specification and atomically for the inputs and outputs of specific effects of the rules, especially of housing rules.

In this way I could throw about ideas like my"basement benefit" contribution to a ring fenced home deposit scheme for all mature children living with parents whilst in work. This could be extended for those with parents over the age of fifty five, to build a capital cushion cover for care for parents, meeting with needs such as home modification and such things as mobility. Specifically I like the idea of subsidy for a station wagon or similar practical vehicle, for the adult carer if parents who are willing to give up their driving license.

Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by albertgoeswoof on Friday February 16, 2018 @03:58AM (#16390937)
They'll need to also block this for people earning over £113k, as you start losing your tax free allowance at 100k and it's fully gone at 123k
Re:UK government should give £10K to every citizen under 55,... by rocqua on Friday February 16, 2018 @05:19AM (#16391302)
Maybe they meant tax deductible expenses? That feels like it hits the rich harder than just the flat deduction.