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Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by bad_user on Thursday August 26, 2010 @10:52AM (#1636083)

     Life expectancy is low because of the vast amount of people that eat 
     crappy food in the US.
And what makes people eat crappy food in the US?

Could it be that crappy food is sold starting from the school's cafeteria? Could it be that people don't have enough time to cook or eat at better restaurants?

     This to me just means that in those other countries, the government is 
     re-distributing wealth
It could also mean any number of things ... like a middle-class that is better represented, or that the distribution of wealth is more efficient.

     I would rather have the chance of making it big (or fail) than have the 
     government take most of it away with huge taxes and strict rules that 
     make it really difficult to have a successful business.
     ....
     Would you rather be happier or have less freedoms?
Oh, the freedom argument :)

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but it seems to me that you've got no idea of how Consumerism works.

When you're sunken in debt, how much freedom do you have left?

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by nanairo on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:19AM (#1636170)
Exactly. You want better food at school cafeteria? The government has to pay. You want less death by secondary smoke? You need government intervention (which incidentally the USA have accepted now).

Having a government is not such a bad thing. Even Americans used to embrace regulations, until Reagan and the "get the government off my back" idea spread out. Regulations are what help internalise in the price externalities such as these. You could tax unhealthy food, or subsidise healthy food. But somehow this is felt as a wound to people's freedom of doing anything they want, including eating crap if they want.

And freedom is all great: pity for those poor people who are so poor that their only choice is eating crappy food, and who can't afford preventive measures such as cancer screening.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by richcollins on Thursday August 26, 2010 @07:29PM (#1637500)
Our diet is in large part a result of government intervention. Farm subsidies make distort the price of corn based products (HFCS for instance). The existence of government run schools prevent choice in school lunches.

However I do agree that government should play a role in regulating second hand smoke, as that is an instance of one individual using coercive force over another (making me inhale your smoke in public). Although even that issue is a slippery slope. Do we ban cars because their exhaust is toxic?

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by rick888 on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:41AM (#1636236)
"And what makes people eat crappy food in the US?

Could it be that crappy food is sold starting from the school's cafeteria? Could it be that people don't have enough time to cook or eat at better restaurants?"

Crappy school food does need to be changed. If people "don't have enough time" to cook or eat better, it's because they are lazy. You need to make time for these things.

"It could also mean any number of things ... like a middle-class that is better represented, or that the distribution of wealth is more efficient."

Either way, it's not something I want.

"Oh, the freedom argument :)

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but it seems to me that you've got no idea of how Consumerism works."

I do know how consumerism works. I also know the alternative is having the government make those choices for me.

"When you're sunken in debt, how much freedom do you have left?"

I have tons of freedom, because I am responsible with my money (IE: no debt). The people "sunken" in debt got that way because they spent money they didn't have and were foolish enough to do it on a credit card with huge APR.

There were many people during the housing crises that knowingly got a mortgage they couldn't afford because "the banks let them do it". When those same people couldn't pay their bills, they blamed those same banks. This is pure stupidity.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by leot on Thursday August 26, 2010 @12:42PM (#1636438)
... are you suggesting that Americans are inherently more stupid than Europeans?
Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by rick888 on Thursday August 26, 2010 @03:35PM (#1636927)
".. are you suggesting that Americans are inherently more stupid than Europeans?"

No. I'm suggesting that there will always be stupid and lazy people wherever you go. Many countries in Europe attempt to legislate it away by taking away by making choices for you (More social programs and restrictions on private alternatives). For some, this is fine, because they will be better off. For others, it just means less freedom and less choices.

In the US, we are free to make our own choices (and for some people, this means failing).