Re:The American “Empire” Reconsidered
by jacquesm on Monday February 12, 2018 @12:22PM
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> The problem is that in politics you get called Isolationist as soon as you suggest sometime a little out of the 'allowed opinion' stream.
That's not my experience.
> Many so called 'isolations' are not against building a bunker around the US and doing nothing.
That may be so. But many of them are. You can't build yourself up as the policeman of the world and then within the space of 6 months do a full 180 on that policy without getting called out on it.
> The United Nations for example can easily be engaged in even if you are against most US foreign policy.
Yes, but there are more ways to do this and the present day administration seems to have thrown 50 years of built up credit out with the remaining bathwater. Note that it is easy to destroy a reputation, it is very hard to put it back together again.
> This 'global view' was basically about building a global order that the US could control.
Agreed. But now we're headed towards a global order that the US definitely won't be able to control with China and Russia as dominant poles and the United States voting 'present' or even taking sides with Russia. This is going to have some significant consequences none of which will be pleasant.
> I[t] was just another view about what [is] in Americas best interest by a different group of elites.
That may be so. But the price for that changing viewpoint will not be paid by Americans.
That's not my experience.
> Many so called 'isolations' are not against building a bunker around the US and doing nothing.
That may be so. But many of them are. You can't build yourself up as the policeman of the world and then within the space of 6 months do a full 180 on that policy without getting called out on it.
> The United Nations for example can easily be engaged in even if you are against most US foreign policy.
Yes, but there are more ways to do this and the present day administration seems to have thrown 50 years of built up credit out with the remaining bathwater. Note that it is easy to destroy a reputation, it is very hard to put it back together again.
> This 'global view' was basically about building a global order that the US could control.
Agreed. But now we're headed towards a global order that the US definitely won't be able to control with China and Russia as dominant poles and the United States voting 'present' or even taking sides with Russia. This is going to have some significant consequences none of which will be pleasant.
> I[t] was just another view about what [is] in Americas best interest by a different group of elites.
That may be so. But the price for that changing viewpoint will not be paid by Americans.