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Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by arethuza on Thursday August 26, 2010 @07:59AM (#1635679)
Of those three areas, only the "more free time" element is easy to compare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time

From those statistics it does look like the average citizen of the United States probably does work more hours in a year than the average citizen of the EU.

[Edited to remove the comment about "but not by a huge factor"]

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by jules on Thursday August 26, 2010 @08:23AM (#1635720)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Yea...

I'm surprised that what are generally considered the richest countries are all at the bottom: Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, France, Germany, etc. The difference in working hours between those and the US is huge: 1307 - 1362 hours/year compared to 1777 hours/year.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by w00pla on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:15AM (#1635816)
It is not as simple as that. There are many countries in which the official work day is less than the real work day. As an example, in Japan no-one leaves before the boss leaves (so it can be longer than the official time).

Also, in some countries there are many people working for themselves (such as in small businesses). These people generally work more than the official time.

I had a family member work for 14 hours a week (10 hours saturday and sunday) while starting their own business (this went on for two years).

Small business owners break the law a lot and work more than the allotted time.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by yummyfajitas on Thursday August 26, 2010 @08:21AM (#1635717)
"More free time" isn't the claim I was skeptical of.
Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by daveoflynn on Thursday August 26, 2010 @09:13AM (#1635812)
On the health care front, both the OECD and The Commonwealth Fund give the USA low marks compared to other Western democracies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system#Cross-countr...

No comment on the 'luxury' claim; that's too subjective for me.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by yummyfajitas on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:16AM (#1636159)
At the wikipedia page, all they do is compare spending (in $) to life expectancy. This is a terrible comparison, since lots of non-health care factors affect life expectancy. For example, life expectancy within the US is 85 for Asians, 78 for whites and 72 for blacks.

Life expectancy in Japan is 83.

Hypothesis: ethnicity plays a strong role in determining life expectancy. The fact that Japan is 99.4% Asian while the US is only 5% Asian may drag the US down a bit.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by davidw on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:27AM (#1636193)
Like many things in economics, it's imperfect.

If you compare the US with Canada, which has a similar mixed ethnicity, the dollars to life expectancy is still way better in Canada.

To save some time, I think the typical libertarian argument is to admit the system in the US actually does stink in terms of costs, and argue that if only we had a truly free market, where people could instruct their ambulance drivers to drive around shopping for the best price/performance ratio for their emergency surgery, then things would be better in the US.

This just goes around and around and around, though, doesn't it. I somehow suspect we won't see "health care economics problems solved on niche web site" as tomorrow's headlines.

I love to talk about this stuff with people in person, but the bandwidth of a web site is just too low - people write books on these subjects, for pete's sake.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by yummyfajitas on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:59AM (#1636299)
If you compare the US with Canada, which has a similar mixed ethnicity,...

False. Canada has more long lived Asians and far fewer short lived Blacks (and "some other race") than the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Stat...

In any case, I'm not asserting that ethnicity is the only factor affecting life expectancy. My claim is that many factors affect life expectancy and health care is way down the list in terms of magnitude (once you reach first world levels). Thus, using life expectancy as a proxy for health care is simply a terrible idea.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by davidw on Thursday August 26, 2010 @12:19PM (#1636360)
Ok, but the real difference is in spending. People in the US live to 78, Canadians to 81, according to that site, which isn't a huge difference. The difference in spending, however, is, which is why the US is such an outlier on that chart.

... and around ...

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by yummyfajitas on Thursday August 26, 2010 @12:26PM (#1636390)
I was questioning the claim of "more luxury, more free time, and better health-care".

Much like free time, claims about costs are easily googleable.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by arethuza on Friday August 27, 2010 @05:30AM (#1638348)
I think that just a disagreement over how to interpret "best" - for an individual who can afford it the "best" health care is likely to be in the US. However, I suspect Europeans think of it as "pretty good health care for everyone" rather than "the absolutely the most effective health care for some".

I'm in the UK so I rather like knowing that everyone has access to pretty decent healthcare which is free at the point of delivery. If I want fancier stuff or a slightly nicer room or more quickly than what the NHS can provide I can always go private. However, I've never done that and I don't know anyone who has for anything major.

Re:America's misguided culture of overwork by confuzatron on Thursday August 26, 2010 @08:24AM (#1635724)
My arithmetic may be wrong, but comparing the US figures with those of Germany, Americans work about 2 months more per year (8 hour days, 5 day weeks). Which is a lot.