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Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by joe_the_user on Thursday August 26, 2010 @02:32AM (#1635255)
Hmm,

It's Orwell so it's well written.

But even Orwell needs references to back up this argument.

Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by wooster on Thursday August 26, 2010 @04:36AM (#1635409)
It would have been obvious general knowledge to any post Great War (World War I) reader in England.

See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-481882/Condemned-v...

Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by arethuza on Thursday August 26, 2010 @06:10AM (#1635518)
I'm pretty sure that in "The Road To Wigan Pier" Orwell makes an observation about the effect on the British population of having a significant proportion of the youngest and healthiest men killed in the the Great War.
Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by kragen on Thursday August 26, 2010 @04:02PM (#1637005)
Interesting. I didn't know that unmarried mothers in England at that time were "often condemned to asylums". Is such harsh treatment of single motherhood common? I can think of societies where it often carries the death penalty, but those societies also permit polygyny.
Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by pmjordan on Thursday August 26, 2010 @02:50AM (#1635283)
I assume he means although the stigma is much less than it once used to be, it's not especially culturally acceptable for a woman to conceive a child from a man who isn't her life partner. Most women who do, do so by accident.

Also, while the man is out at war, the woman usually won't be procreating with anyone else until the man dies. The news of his death will probably affect her badly, and procreation is probably the last thing on her mind at least for a while (after which she may be too old).

But yes, hard data would be even better.

Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by fab13n on Thursday August 26, 2010 @11:54AM (#1636281)
> it's not especially culturally acceptable for a woman to conceive a child from a man who isn't her life partner.

Beyond cultural acceptability, there is objective optimality. Since men thrive to validate themselves by providing more than they consume (cf. article again), it's a comparative disadvantage for women to raise kids without the benefit of that surplus.

In a society where it's reasonably easy to secure a (male) provider, you're a major loser as a woman if you can't secure one. In a society where it's hard, e.g. due to skewed gender demographics, it's acceptable to be a single mom.

There's been a quite politically incorrect paper about black US communities, their lack of men due to huge imprisonment rates and higher mortality, and the resulting prevalence of the single mom model. I think it was referred to by Freakonomics.

Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by dhs on Thursday August 26, 2010 @07:52AM (#1635669)
Also, while the man is out at war, the woman usually won't be procreating with anyone else until the man dies.

There is some counter-evidence to this claim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dear_john_letter

"Dear John," the letter began. "I have found someone else whom I think the world of. I think the only way out is for us to get a divorce," it said. They usually began like that, those letters that told of infidelity on the part of the wives of servicemen... The men called them "Dear Johns".

Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by jbooth on Thursday August 26, 2010 @04:06PM (#1637014)
Also see "Jodie"
Re:Is There Anything Good About Men? by joe_the_user on Thursday August 26, 2010 @04:36AM (#1635408)
Most women who do, do so by accident.

Or don't get caught....