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Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by rusk on Sunday February 11, 2018 @03:23AM (#16351762)
This is not right.

The GDPR allows for reasonable usecases like this. The principles are pretty broad and only stifling once you get into the realm of sharing data between organisations [0]

Such uses are "Appropriate", but you would be expected to maintain this information securely and you would not be allowed to use it for some other surreptitious purpose?

This actually enables further innovations for instance you can log a cars behaviour without a user fearing you might sell this information on to their insurance company.

What upsets people about GDPR is it does away with the notion of data being the holders property and enforces obligations to the subjects of that data.

Of course in this day and age where "data is the new oil" this is upsetting for some.

At the end of the day however this demonstrates how regulation, apart from propping up inneficiet markets also serves to protect the public from rampant commercialisation of every aspect of their lives!

[0] https://united-kingdom.taylorwessing.com/globaldatahub/artic...

Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by Silhouette on Sunday February 11, 2018 @02:25PM (#16354258)
The GDPR allows for reasonable usecases like this. The principles are pretty broad and only stifling once you get into the realm of sharing data between organisations [0]

The GDPR is rather ambiguous about use cases like this. That's part of the problem. Different national regulators are going to have to decide what they consider reasonable and how much they want to enforce. Unless and until they issue authoritative guidance, everyone is basically in the dark on what this really means, and the penalties for misjudgement could be severe if the regulator strongly disagreed with your interpretation.

As for sharing data between organisations, one of the more unwise (IMHO) aspects of the GDPR is that when it comes to the right to erasure, the obligations to notify other parties to which the data has been supplied have guard conditions about reasonable efforts, but there are no such conditions at all on the immediate obligations to delete the data. If you're not covered by one of the acceptable cases (where the scope is, as noted above, not entirely clear yet) then you must be able to delete the data on demand, regardless of the practicality or cost of doing so.

Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by rusk on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:19PM (#16354865)
Yes there’s lots of ambiguity and the details will be hammered out over the coming years. You will be subject to audit and noncompliances will be notified. Only the most egregious “bad faith” violators will suffer fines in the near term. I fully expect a couple of high profile cases will be made to get the ball rolling.
Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by eadmund on Sunday February 11, 2018 @02:52PM (#16354386)
> The GDPR allows for reasonable usecases like this.

It allows for simple logs. It does not allow for simple immutable logs, because your customers must always be able to force you to forget about them. There's nothing about sharing data between organisations: the GDPR requires — with certain very minor exceptions — that someone holding personally-identifying information delete it on request.

As an aside, this:

> This actually enables further innovations for instance you can log a cars behaviour without a user fearing you might sell this information on to their insurance company.

… isn't really true: the logger can still sell it, it just may not.

Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by rusk on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:17PM (#16354858)
That’s wrong. Data protection legislation expressly forbids a “Data Controller” from sharing information relating to a “Data Subject” with any third party, consent notwithstanding. There is limited scope for a third party “Data Processor” to operate on the data but this is subject to strict conditions including maintaining the integrity of the data subjects privacy. GDPR elaborates on this and provides tougher enforcement mechanisms driven at commission level rather than purely enacted by individual governments. This elimination of wiggle room is what has people running scared.
Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by eadmund on Sunday February 11, 2018 @10:54PM (#16356402)
> > the logger can still sell it, it just may not.

> That’s wrong. Data protection legislation expressly forbids

I'm sorry, I assume that English is not your first language. 'Can' means 'is able to'; 'may' means 'is allowed to.' The GDPR does not allow selling something, but it's still perfectly possible for someone to do so. People break the law all the time.

I raised the issue of can vs. may because it's germane to the issue of immutability. It is possible to build a system in which it is mathematically impossible (within arbitrarily-determined limits) to alter data; it is not possible to design a system in which it is possible to prevent someone from telling someone else something he knows. It's odd to me that the GDPR bans the former, desirable system.

Re:GDPR: sorting the fact from the fiction by rusk on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:39AM (#16357358)
thanks for clearing that up. you were unclear that you were speaing in terms of utility rather than legality. legally you "can't" and "may not". To do so would be in breach of the law.

GDPR has expectations that Data Controllers take reasonable steps to protect a data subject. Theres no expectation that you anticipate all mathematical possibilities...