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Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by rident on Sunday February 11, 2018 @12:40AM (#16351369)
Oh man, Slack really is a beast isn't it? I do like the multiple network nature of it (even though everything is saved to Slack's servers) but I find it hard to believe it does so little for it's footprint.

They too though made a Google-like transition and went from an open protocol (IRC/XMPP) to a closed/custom API. At least here, the server admin can enable those protocols if they want and the API seems to offer enough features that someone could probably integrate Slack into another IRC-like client.

Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by pr3dr49 on Sunday February 11, 2018 @02:04AM (#16351579)
You may explore Mattermost [1] if hosting on your own servers is a requirement. It is very easy to deploy and I found it very satisfactory, albeit testing with a relatively small team. I imagine scaling up would work. It ties in nicely with GitLab, which is another neat product for those who must not or wish not outsource information.

[1] https://about.mattermost.com/

Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by rident on Sunday February 11, 2018 @08:51AM (#16352653)
Matrix [1], mentioned elsewhere in these comments, looks interesting too and the Riot [2] app is similarly styled to Slack.

[1] https://matrix.org/

[2] https://riot.im/app/#/room/#matrix:matrix.org

Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by Spoom on Sunday February 11, 2018 @09:32AM (#16352821)
Matrix is basically open source Slack. It fixes a lot of the problems that IRC had, enabling continuous presence, central authentication, easy file transfer, bot integrations, and more. I really hope it catches on more.

Disclaimer: I help run a small Matrix network.

Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by Freak_NL on Sunday February 11, 2018 @03:57AM (#16351844)
Yeah, the GitLab omnibus package comes with MatterMost bundled. It's a really nice solution for self-hosted chat.
Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by Shoothe on Sunday February 11, 2018 @02:18PM (#16354231)
> They too though made a Google-like transition and went from an open protocol (IRC/XMPP) to a closed/custom API. At least here, the server admin can enable those protocols if they want and the API seems to offer enough features that someone could probably integrate Slack into another IRC-like client.

As for the XMPP gateway it's just barely usable. From my personal experience it even tended to drop messages from time to time. It seems Slack added it just to claim XMPP compatibility. Just look at where is Slack placed in this ranking https://conversations.im/compliance/

Re:How did Google Talk change from a dream to a nightmare? by shliachtx on Sunday February 11, 2018 @12:42AM (#16351375)
Apparently they were built to mimic IRC but don't actually use it under the hood. But like you mentioned, they DO have some integration with IRC.