Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by ddorian43 on Friday February 09, 2018 @07:53AM
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Isn't health insurance, like, 100-200 month ??? You all acting like it's a big deal. (nl stats, student DE pays 80/month)
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Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by gurkendoktor on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:40PM
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I'm probably overpaying because I stayed in a public (not private) health insurance plan, but I pay about 800€ a month, so close to 10k a year.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by dx034 on Friday February 09, 2018 @08:08AM
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Probably 250/month for health insurance plus 20% pension contribution and few unemployment benefits.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by ddorian43 on Friday February 09, 2018 @08:32AM
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Programmers don't need unemployment benefits. You can always find a job. Maybe unable-to-work (like accidents etc) insurance.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by ryandrake on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:32AM
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Sounds like you’ve never experienced a tech downturn yet. Having been through two (and there are folks on this forum who have been through more) I can tell you with great certainty that you are wrong. I have been close to broke twice and am eternally grateful for what little safety net actually exists in the US.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by expertentipp on Friday February 09, 2018 @10:59AM
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I always smile hearing this arrogant "programmers don't need unemployment benefits" or "programmers will always find a job". Not even tech downturn is necessary, just relocate (e.g. family reasons) to a different location where this profession is not appreciated, neither well rewarded.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by ddorian43 on Saturday February 10, 2018 @04:40AM
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.. so.. unemployment benefits will keep you forever when "profession is not appreciated" or you'll convert to a beekeeper or some other job ?
Unemployment benefits, as I know, are temporary. You'll face the real-world in 2-3 years when it ends.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by expertentipp on Sunday February 11, 2018 @05:24AM
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> You'll face the real-world in 2-3 years when it ends.
Just enough to catch up with nuances between different Angular versions and experiment with all cool newest React stacks... or screw it... pulls out a manual on constructing beehives.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by Clubber on Friday February 09, 2018 @09:23AM
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I would agree with you, but I lived through the dot bomb / 9-11. There are times when companies, collectively, decide to hold off on hiring for a few quarters while doing massive layoffs. Thats when the market gets flooded.
It's hard to imagine today, but it sure did happen.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by expertentipp on Friday February 09, 2018 @08:54AM
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> Programmers don't need unemployment benefits.
That's what the person at the (un)employment office said once to me. If you know how to count, count on yourself because most of the insurance contributions simply fall into a black hole.
Re:Is developer compensation becoming bimodal?
by ddorian43 on Friday February 09, 2018 @09:10AM
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"Assuming good programmers + assuming you have certain logical thinking skills outside of programming, like, say, don't live paycheck-to-paycheck and credit-lifestyle".. I just stay out of work until I find a better one with my savings. Worst case I find shitty work until better work.