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Re:Science’s Pirate Queen by jtmcmc on Thursday February 08, 2018 @08:41PM (#16337232)
the journal industry (NPG, elsevier, etc...) are the very definition of rent seeking. They add basically no value on top of the work.

Also the very idea that it's ok to gatekeeper off knowledge that was paid with public funds because you think the general public won't be interested in it is ridiculous and wrong.

LOTS of people regularly read scientific papers - many people in technical fields, people who studied an area of research but are not active researchers, and so on.

Re:Science’s Pirate Queen by s0rce on Thursday February 08, 2018 @10:06PM (#16337603)
I don't think its right to say they add no value. They definitely don't add value anywhere near what they charge (clearly based on their profit margins) but they do provide a service (albeit often minor). They coordinate reviewers (who they don't compensate), certain journals (Nature and Science in my experience) provide typesetting and editorial service beyond just basic copyediting, they provide a website to download the content.

I'm in no way saying these services couldn't easily be replicated at a much lower/negligible cost but they do provide a service.

Re:Science’s Pirate Queen by Mediterraneo10 on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:10AM (#16341292)
> They ... provide typesetting and editorial service beyond just basic copyediting.

Not necessarily. For-profit publishers today – perhaps more often than not – expect the unpaid volunteer editors of the journal to do any typesetting or copy-editing, and then just send the publisher a camera-ready PDF to print.

Re:Science’s Pirate Queen by xamuel on Friday February 09, 2018 @09:43AM (#16340464)
Minor correction: many publishers don't even coordinate the reviewers. That's usually left to editors. Editors are generally unpaid, or are paid some trivial insignificant amount.
Re:Science’s Pirate Queen by Fomite on Friday February 09, 2018 @01:00AM (#16338221)
Additionally, I am a member of several societies who have outsourced their journal publication to a commercial publisher, and who use the money from those contracts to pay for society activities like travel scholarships, etc.