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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by mannykannot on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:00AM (#16298084)
That quote is in the context of accident reconstruction. Putting aside the question of how many accidents there will be in our future autonomous world, accidents already leak personal information, especially if they lead to court cases, and it does not seem to me that improved crash investigation need necessarily leak any more. I think this is a qualitatively different situation than tracking people's location and who they communicate with, which is definitely a privacy issue, and not justified in the context of accident investigation.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by mLuby on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:03AM (#16298105)
Yeah it's about an accident, but if an ordinary police officer can view this, you know more powerful agencies are going to collect all of it (incidentally).
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by mannykannot on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:24AM (#16298199)
It is the people who want to expand general surveillance who would like to blur the distinction between that and accident investigation, in a bogus attempt to justify the former, and I don't think we should go along with it.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by harlanji on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:47AM (#16298301)
I eat popcorn watching the double-think these days. Laws simply weren't designed for perfect enforcement. We need a new legal framework that can handle omnipresence.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by whatshisface on Saturday February 03, 2018 @01:44PM (#16298883)
Many penalties have been scaled to compensate for the expected likelihood of getting caught (so as to keep the expected value of the crime negative.) Even without the radical overhaul it sounds like you're suggesting, we'll definitely have to update at least a few things.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by jjoonathan on Saturday February 03, 2018 @07:50PM (#16300606)
Have they? My impression was that legislatures almost never reduced penalties outside of hotbutton political issues.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by maxerickson on Saturday February 03, 2018 @12:35PM (#16298528)
Are we even in the ballpark of being able to collect real time video (and other sensor data) from tens of millions of vehicles?

That's a completely different technical problem than having the vehicle store some period of data.

I guess authoritarians will push to have the ability to install monitoring programs locally.

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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by 21 on Saturday February 03, 2018 @02:49PM (#16299207)
You can use ML to summarize the video and you can store the most interesting bits in low quality - instead of actual video you can just store something like "red car crossed intersection going northbound, male with blue cap stopped at light, ..."
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by user5994461 on Saturday February 03, 2018 @01:11PM (#16298693)
Youtube can record that amount of video just fine.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by dogma1138 on Saturday February 03, 2018 @07:50PM (#16300600)
MobilEye is doing just that to create their HD maps and train their models so, yes.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by maxerickson on Saturday February 03, 2018 @09:34PM (#16300961)
Tens of millions of vehicles all at once?
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by daveFNbuck on Saturday February 03, 2018 @11:57AM (#16298359)
The quote is in the context of accident reconstruction, but the point of the article is that we're going to be filling our streets with mobile surveillance platforms that record everything everyone does around them and police won't need warrants to access this data.
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by Waterluvian on Saturday February 03, 2018 @08:37PM (#16300757)
I was rear ended last week. First accident I've been in. I suddenly have a photo of a 17 year old's driver's license. Name. Date of birth. Photo. Home address. Jeez...
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Re:Cops won’t need a warrant to pull the data off an autonom... by StanislavPetrov on Saturday February 03, 2018 @09:20PM (#16300912)
Its incredibly naive to think that any and data being recorded or transmitted won't be harvested (both legally and illegally) by authorities.
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