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Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by forgot-my-pw on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @04:00PM (#16277498)
Don't they say this every year? That their integrated GPU will be better, but it's still crap.
Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by paulmd on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @04:39PM (#16277764)
Well, to be fair, Intel HD graphics is a lot better than GMA. With Crystal Well, it's actually pretty close to something like a GTX 750 and outperforms even the new Vega APUs.

But this time they're actually making a play for the discrete graphics market. They've hired Raja Koduri and everything. Not the first time they've done that either (see: Larrabee) but they do look to be making a serious attempt.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by throwaway2048 on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @04:54PM (#16277886)
if it genuinely outpreformed the vega apus why would intel put an vega apu core on a new processor line...
Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by paulmd on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:14PM (#16278430)
They're not in the same performance class. A Crystalwell Iris Pro 580 (and the 2500U) are slightly slower than a GTX 750 non-Ti. The new Intel APU is going to be ballpark RX 570 performance - or something like a 1060 3 GB on the NVIDIA side. About 4x the performance - which is absolutely necessary for the sorts of applications Hades Canyon is aimed at, like VR.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Iris-Pro-580-Mobi...

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Iris-Pro-580-Mobi...

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-570-vs-AMD-Radeo...

Having a discrete graphics die, and especially having access to HBM2, makes a huge difference in performance. There isn't much you can do with 30 GB/s of bandwidth to share between CPU and GPU. Having Crystal Well L4 cache is a huge boost but it's still a halfassed fix compared to having proper VRAM available.

Of course, it's also a vastly more expensive part as well. Just the CPU+GPU package is more expensive than some of the 2500U laptops.

Presumably Intel is aiming for something more like Vega M GH with Jupiter Sound/Arctic Sound - it makes little sense to design a low-end discrete part with no room for future performance growth.