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Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by shmerl on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @10:31AM (#16274584)
I wish though they'd produce power efficient Vega for gaming sooner. Looks like it's being pushed off to 2019.

Sapphire Nitro version requires 3 (yes, 3!) 8-pin power connectors. That's why I'm staying with RX 480 for the time being. It works very well with Mesa on Linux.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by vetinari on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @12:14PM (#16275440)
That's up to Sapphire, why they did it (probably for overclocking).

The reference design (including the LC version) and some other designs, like Asus Strix, require only 2 8-pin power connectors.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by shmerl on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @12:21PM (#16275487)
But they still are quite power hungry at least according to the TDP specs. So it gives an impression that Vega isn't really where it's supposed to be efficiency wise.

And I prefer to avoid reference design which is usually too noisy.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by philjohn on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @12:53PM (#16275836)
Many people are undervolting them, which brings power draw down considerably and leads to only a miniscule difference in performance.
Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by paulmd on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:54PM (#16276441)
Let's not pretend like this is unique to AMD though: NVIDIA products can be undervolted too. And if you are willing to drop 10-15% performance, you can cut power down by 40-50% on Pascal, just like Vega.

The same voltage-vs-frequency curve applies to both products.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by shmerl on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:34PM (#16276247)
So why are they so overvolted by default?
Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by paulmd on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:44PM (#16276355)
Unpopular truth: because that's where they need to be to ensure stability and yields.

There is a wide variation in the stability of hardware across various different tasks. An overclock/undervolt that is stable in one task is not necessarily stable in others, as anyone who's overclocked can attest. f.ex Just Cause 3 needed several hundred MHz less than I could get in TF2 or Witcher 3.

The voltage is set where it needs to be to ensure that there's no instability in any program, on any sample in a batch. People look at one task and one sample and assume that their OC must be stable on everything, on every card in the batch. In reality it's not, or not to the degree that the manufacturer requires.

Yes, you can get extra performance on any given sample by eating up your safety margin and pushing closer to the limit of that specific sample's frequency/voltage curve. But as the economists say: if there were free money laying on the sidewalk, AMD would have picked it up already. They're not stupid, they ship the voltages they need.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by shmerl on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @02:54PM (#16276980)
> They're not stupid, they ship the voltages they need.

That's my point then. Vega just needs too much by default. Hopefully next iteration will be less power hungry.

Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by sangnoir on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @01:44PM (#16276350)
It's a design decision, which boils down to AMD loves to "overclock" by default to squeeze out as much performance as possible. I could easily imagine the mirror-universe version of this conversation had they done otherwise "You can gain 5% perf by 'overvolting' AMD GPUS. Why don't they do this by default?"
Re:AMD Returns to Full-Year Profitability, Forecasts Strong ... by floatboth on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @11:52AM (#16275247)
Whatever they make will be bought up by miners. Wait for the crash of cryptocurrency markets D: