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Re:How the Guardian improbably put itself on the path to pro... by ggm on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @05:54AM (#16264304)
You think people who go to Eton can't be left wing? Gosh, the Cambridge five.. seriously. If you think it's 'just an act' I don't think you understand British left politics at all. The establishment has had a left wing since before the second world war. Even the daily worker had people from Oxbridge working for it.

It's left wing, not working class. The sun is working class, tits and all.

Re:How the Guardian improbably put itself on the path to pro... by gaius on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @02:38PM (#16268271)
For me the Left is that which fights for The Workers. The Graun may pay occasional lip service to say the NHS but they literally won’t put their money where their mouths are. They are as guilty of exploiting The Workers as all bourgeoisie - worse even.
Re:How the Guardian improbably put itself on the path to pro... by ggm on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @09:55PM (#16270964)
The bourgeoisie are what Lenin called 'Useful idiots' and in that regard, the Guardian writers perform a role. If your reason to hate the guardian is that they vest ownership in a non-profit which uses tax minimisation, you've driven to a very specific corner.

Your root cause argument I suspect is true: because I value the editorial message I overlook the flaws. In this regard, the News Ltd and Guardian are the same thing: they are newspapers. But, my root position also remains. I chose to give one money and not the other. I should just be more open to the reality behind that decision. The only person I am fooling, is probably myself.

Re:How the Guardian improbably put itself on the path to pro... by gaius on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @03:22AM (#16272358)
you've driven to a very specific corner.

It’s one particularly egregious example but there are plenty more: education is another, why are state comps good enough for The Workers while Graun types go private? Or housing.

Re:How the Guardian improbably put itself on the path to pro... by ggm on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:00PM (#16278346)
Owen Jones, as a specific example did not attend private school. Polly Toynbee attended a state school before university. Martin Kettle went to Leeds modern. This idea that the 'guardian' is packed with public school toffs is reed-thin. I didn't bother looking harder because I'm pretty confident its not true. Its just what you want to be true.

Oxford is biassed to private school entry because its competitive. But it is emphatically not closed to state school pupils, and never has been. But in any case, whilst a lot of guardian journalists and columnists went there, I doubt all did by any stretch.

Re:How the Guardian improbably put itself on the path to pro... by toyg on Tuesday January 30, 2018 @06:21AM (#16264413)
> The sun is working class.

The Sun targets the working class, it doesn't necessarily represent it. Like the Daily Mail, they lie and spread hate in a more accessible language.