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Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by tomohawk on Sunday January 28, 2018 @05:21PM (#16253929)
The US Government has national defense responsibilities. Providing such exploit information to Chinese companies, many with strong ties to the PLA and other government organs, without notifying your own government first, seems irresponsible.
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by jknz on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:39PM (#16254291)
Any government has national defense responsabilities. With your logic, Intel is a multinational company and should have informed them all, which leads to its own kind of problems.

Edit: The only reasonable path seems to inform every government simultaneously, at the same time as the public. How could the EU possibly let Intel sell CPUs, and let Intel inform other governments of vulnerabilities first? So that the other governments have a time window to play with the vulnerability against the EU?

Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by slededit on Monday January 29, 2018 @02:13AM (#16255883)
I guess people were expecting them to have a higher level of loyalty to their home country.
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by tanilama on Monday January 29, 2018 @05:54AM (#16256746)
That gives China a strong case to distrust Intel and use their own chips. It is not like they are not already doing that, but I guess Intel might not really want to add momentum to this process.
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by tomohawk on Sunday January 28, 2018 @08:05PM (#16254632)
Only if you think there is some sort of moral equivalence between the governments.
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by phkahler on Sunday January 28, 2018 @09:29PM (#16254919)
There is a practical equivalence between governments. If one government could make the case that they should be informed, then any government who bought systems with "Intel Inside" could make the same argument. If you want to split governments into groups based on some notion of morality then you may want to question why a company would be allowed to do business with a country on the wrong side of that morality in the first place. That's actually a discussion I'd like to see.
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by tomohawk on Monday January 29, 2018 @04:21AM (#16256379)
Practically speaking, providing an exploit to the Russian government vs the US government - that would be a different effect, no? How would you justify providing the exploit to the North Koreans, or the Iranians?

There is a very practical morality at play here. The Chinese government runs protesters over with tanks, imprisons people without cause, attacks their neighbors without cause, etc. Would it be a good thing to aid such a government?

Putting all governments on the same moral plane is counterproductive and nonsensical. Not providing important information to your own government so that they can secure the very systems that protect you - that doesn't seem very practical.

Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by sammoorhouse on Monday January 29, 2018 @02:37PM (#16260030)
> The Chinese government runs protesters over with tanks, imprisons people without cause, attacks their neighbors without cause, etc.

Oh come on, you're making it too easy!

Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by hishnash on Monday January 29, 2018 @02:15AM (#16255891)
It's not about moral its about sales, if Intel were to start to tell the US gov directly about security loopholes in products they were still selling to other nations those nations would blacklist intel for life.

Just as the US would blacklist intel if they told another nation directly first. (this is even true if they told allied nations) we have seen that just being allies does not stop the US spying (and I'm sure does not stop the opposite as well just turns out the others might be better at keeping things hush hush)

Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by rorykoehler on Sunday January 28, 2018 @10:24PM (#16255127)
Is there not?
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by charlesdm on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:19PM (#16254207)
If it was beneficial from a commercial point of view to first disclose to partners outside of the US this makes sense. Intel doesn't exist to serve US national defense responsibilities; they exist to make money.
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by kakarot on Sunday January 28, 2018 @10:04PM (#16255058)
I firmly believe that, if the NSA, CIA, and possibly the FBI found out about this exploit, and found out there would be a window of several months to exploit it, then these agencies would be a danger to the safety and security of the American people.

Therefore the patriotic and responsible thing would be to help vendors patch their stuff before directly disclosing the bug to any party that would be likely to abuse the exploit.

The NSA doesn't play ball and responsibly disclose exploits to vendors immediately after discovering and profiling them, expressly because they want to use the exploits, so why should vendors be obligated to do the reverse?

Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by randoramax on Sunday January 28, 2018 @06:44PM (#16254313)
Most likely the NSA already knew, wouldn't they?
Re:Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. ... by WillPostForFood on Sunday January 28, 2018 @08:02PM (#16254620)
Because they aren't omniscient, and the signal to noise ratio is very low when considering the total amount of data they can montor.