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Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by bhouston on Friday January 26, 2018 @10:30AM (#16239865)
> I think Facebook and Google enable populism. George Soros doesn't like that, because if populism took care of everything they wouldn't need his billions funding organizations that seek to start populist movements that promote his values and narratives.

I think you are falling into the fairly common "George Soros is evil" narrative and it causing you not to listen to what Soros actually is saying in this particular case.

Soros actually is focusing on three well established points that others also regularly make - these are quotes from the article:

(1) “This is particularly nefarious because social media companies influence how people think and behave without them even being aware of it. This has far-reaching adverse consequences on the functioning of democracy, particularly on the integrity of elections.”

(2) In addition to skewing democracy, social media companies “deceive their users by manipulating their attention and directing it towards their own commercial purposes” and “deliberately engineer addiction to the services they provide”. The latter, he said, “can be very harmful, particularly for adolescents”.

(3) Soros warned of an “even more alarming prospect” on the horizon if data-rich internet companies such as Facebook and Google paired their corporate surveillance systems with state-sponsored surveillance – a trend that’s already emerging in places such as the Philippines.

He isn't talking at all about social movements or populism on Facebook or Google, not at all. Remember that those are often outside of those platforms generally these days, such as Telegram in Iran or Twitter.

I feel like your comment is bringing in an axe to grind because of other grievances with Soros, rather than dealing with what he is actually saying in this particular article.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by cgb223 on Friday January 26, 2018 @11:03AM (#16240168)
So maybe it’s a pot and kettle situation here.

At least for the first two points, Soros does the same thing:

1) George Soros also tries to manipulate how the public thinks and feels with his media campaigns

2) he manipulates people’s attention to focus on his political interests

Not saying either are particularly in the right for doing these things but it’s a little funny that this is so alarming for him, a major political donor and influencer

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by bhouston on Friday January 26, 2018 @11:06AM (#16240202)
I guess I am not currently litigating whether Soros is evil or not. I think his points are real and others also endorse them.

I guess this is sort of a weird article, just saying what others have said but this time repeating it because the source, Soros, is unique and for some has more authority because is very wealthy. Basically nothing is new in the criticisms.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by z0ltan on Friday January 26, 2018 @01:55PM (#16241862)
You must be demented.
Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by ethbro on Friday January 26, 2018 @02:47PM (#16242284)
> You must be demented.

We strive for a higher level of discourse at HN.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by ben010783 on Friday January 26, 2018 @12:30PM (#16241011)
In the US, those kind of messages are usually more overt and organizations are legally required to disclose some info about the organization that sponsored the ads. You can (could?) kind of get away with influencing people anonymously using Facebook: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-e...
Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by pacala on Friday January 26, 2018 @11:38AM (#16240509)
There is a special place in Hell for those who made surveillance profitable. The surveillance apparatus of yesterday’s Eastern Europe tyrants was too inefficient and collapsed under its own weight. Leave it to adtech to build economically viable surveillance, which can and will be cooped by governments.
Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by AndrewKemendo on Friday January 26, 2018 @11:43AM (#16240550)
Surveillance is too broad of a term. For example, at what level do you consider user tracking NOT surveillance, and why? Are cookies surveillance? IP Logging? Is UserAgent surveillance?
Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by carapace on Friday January 26, 2018 @04:23PM (#16243004)
"Surveillance" is in the intent. If I collect user tracking data and that data leaks, or the government requisitions it, does it not then become surveillance data?

FWIW, I have convinced myself that ubiquitous surveillance is pretty much inevitable as a side-effect to automation of infrastructure, so the question is how to manage it (rather than whether.) Right now we are seeing a split between "Morlocks" and "Eloi" where there is a huge gap between the understanding of the folks working at these AI-developing super-silos and the understanding of Joe and Jane User on the street.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by ethbro on Friday January 26, 2018 @02:51PM (#16242315)
That which allows mass surveilling?

The insidious thing is that sufficient storage + innocous tech can be transformed into surveillance... when everything's aggregated.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by AndrewKemendo on Friday January 26, 2018 @04:22PM (#16242999)
sufficient storage + innocous[sic] tech can be transformed into surveillance

Right, but it seems then you're saying that surveillance is more of an intention than it is a set of technologies. Some technologies make those intentions easier to act upon certainly, but the concept of "surveillance" needs to be defined better so that we can recognize what specifically makes it sinister.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by hinkley on Friday January 26, 2018 @12:06PM (#16240793)
I don’t have a horse in this race but I’m fascinated by the dynamic your back and forth represents.

Have you ever heard the old bit about how “a lie is best hidden between two truths”? I think a lot of people steer clear of truth from someone they don’t trust because they know what the next thing will be.

It’s counter to another saying, “if a thief tells you murder is bad, does that make him wrong?” But life is complicated.

Re:George Soros: Facebook and Google are a menace to society by ams6110 on Friday January 26, 2018 @11:35AM (#16240465)
Yeah I am no fan of Soros but in this case I mostly agree.