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Re:Waze Carpool by AdmiralAsshat on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:21AM (#16231930)
The number of private tech companies that reinvent the BUS and think they're geniuses is staggering.

But god forbid we just fund public transportation. We wouldn't want poor people using our service.

Re:Waze Carpool by jobigoud on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:45AM (#16232192)
A few month ago I would have read your comment and thought that bus can't really compete for the fine grained point to point transportation.

Then I went to Sydney in December. The public transportation system there is super impressive. You have a location-based app where you can tell you want to go from point A to point B (from an address, a click on the map, your favorites), it will instantly provide you with many options, with time, duration and price, showing you where to take it from.

It seems there are buses every 5 minutes. During the route the app will buzz you 2 and 1 stop before your actual stop. Oh, and the bus card allow you to take the light train and the ferry. You can also check your credits directly in the app, even recharge it I think.

It changed my perspective on how to use public transportation. In Los Angeles for example I would check which bus/train I should take, download the timetable to see the frequency and where to stop. In Sydney, I got confident in a way that I would just stop caring about planning first. Just open the app and it'll tell you how to go where you want to go.

Re:Waze Carpool by kristopolous on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:54AM (#16232294)
It's amazing how many other places have figured out how to make this work. Even in sprawling cities like Berlin, which was cut in half by a wall for 30 years, it's clean, well maintained, goes nearly everywhere and costs the commuter about as much as a tank of gas a week for unlimited travel.

Americans have really failed to capture and maintain a civic imaginary.

Re:Waze Carpool by ddoolin on Thursday January 25, 2018 @02:58PM (#16234039)
Oh man, wait 'til ya get over to Seoul/HK/Tokyo/<insert Asian megacity>. In Seoul particularly (maybe others, I only lived here), the government has opened hundreds to thousands of public APIs (e.g. transit; bus/subway current locations, timetables, routes, etc) for public consumption and there's now a ton of different apps to serve different needs and you're free to build your own if none suit you. Even nicer is that they've centralized all of it so you can sign up and manage access to all these APIs via a single platform.

For the interested: http://data.seoul.go.kr/

Re:Waze Carpool by intopieces on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:52AM (#16232269)
Hong Kong is this way, too. People gush about the train system in Tokyo (which I have love for) but the sheer number of fast, frequent, and comfortable ways to get around in HK edge it out for me.

It seems like every 5 meters there’s a bus stop, and the busses are not old style clunkers but double deckers like Googles take.

Re:Waze Carpool by Terr_ on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:17PM (#16233075)
As a former HK resident, a lot of it is because of how impractical it is for most people to own and operate a private car.

Returning to the US, it's car-culture and lackluster public transport was jarring.

Re:Waze Carpool by spike021 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:47PM (#16232795)
Eh, you can do the same as most of these features you mention with normal apps. At least where I live in SF, Google Maps can tell you all the different public transportation routes, times, and fares, as well as a notification for when to leave, etc.

The Transit app is also really useful for this.

It's just the public transit systems that need improvement, but the rider side isn't too bad.

Re:Waze Carpool by mintplant on Thursday January 25, 2018 @02:05PM (#16233537)
> The Transit app is also really useful for this.

I was excited to try this, but it seems broken. Every pair of locations I give it returns "No routes found", even for stops that are directly connected by a single bus route that I can see in its database.

Re:Waze Carpool by mintplant on Thursday January 25, 2018 @06:39PM (#16235803)
Update: since reaching out to the developers over email, they've fixed the server bug causing this issue and the trip planner is working now.
Re:Waze Carpool by jacquesm on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:42PM (#16234456)
Wait until you get to Bogota, the bus service there is nothing short of mind blowing. Buses arrive so fast you wonder if they are attached by some kind of invisible link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransMilenio

Public transport as it should be, cheap, fast, reliable.

Re:Waze Carpool by SirZimzim on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:01PM (#16232370)
My favorite part is the amazing train that goes into the suburbs into the city. Fast, clean, and cheap.
Re:Waze Carpool by kang on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:33PM (#16234371)
Vancouver is same in regards to the service but strangely the position-tracking of a bus is more accurate on mobile google maps than the official 'transit' app, although the former says the source of data is latter.
Re:Waze Carpool by cornholio on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:05PM (#16234105)
There is an app for that, it's called Moovit and works in any city - the key thing being that there needs to be an actual functional transit system with solid timetables in place to get the Sydney level of service.
Re:Waze Carpool by kristopolous on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:27AM (#16231994)
Maybe cities should start running a "luxury service" tier along the bus lines that charges 3x the fare, has cushioned seats, etc. Need a smart phone to request a stop. Make it once an hour or so and a sleek black and silver exclusive color. Don't even call it a bus, rebrand it as the stress-free shuttle and get a few celebrities to be "spotted" on them.

You may laugh but this would probably be a hit.

Re:Waze Carpool by scarmig on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:40AM (#16232133)
I'd pay at least 2x the Muni fare if they would guarantee I wouldn't be mugged or spat on by a mentally disturbed homeless person.
Re:Waze Carpool by mulletbum on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:50AM (#16232246)
If the bus was just built with a compartment for just you instead of everyone clumped together, I would pay a lot more.
Re:Waze Carpool by kristopolous on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:00PM (#16232355)
Are you talking about the small rooms inside of trains you see in Black and White movies?
Re:Waze Carpool by ableal on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:48PM (#16232807)
Probably not, those compartments were generally shared by strangers, unless they were sleeper cabins.

There were different price classes, though.

Re:Waze Carpool by rdiddly on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:48PM (#16235013)
Sounds like they're talking about car ownership.
Re:Waze Carpool by mattdodge on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:05PM (#16234100)
You are literally describing Chariot. Everything except for the sleek black color.

https://www.chariot.com/

Re:Waze Carpool by kristopolous on Monday January 29, 2018 @06:17PM (#16261474)
The acrobatics people go through in order to consider themselves rich and successful.

There's a fashion term for this, essentially "low-end luxury" (that's not the term, I forget it). People that are not fabulously wealthy enough to say, hire a chauffeur, not even impressively wealthy enough to always rely on lyft or uber, are marginally wealthy enough to just not take the bus - so they stratify where and what they can as a metric of success.

High end fashion stores sell pendants, socks, scarves, belt buckles, and other minor mementos of wealth at sub-$100 prices (such as a $50 pair of socks). These are some of the most popular items because millions of consumers, if they so desired, could afford to spend $50 on something.

A single pair of socks with the most coveted luxury brand logo, for people who value such things, is a prized purchase.

edit: designer socks are genuinely 50bp (~$70 us) a pair (http://www.versace.com/gb/en-gb/men/accessories/socks/versac...)

Re:Waze Carpool by ikeyany on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:04PM (#16232402)
This is one of the upsides to a socio-economically diverse workforce. If all of your employees come from upper-middle class backgrounds, you'll only solve upper-middle class problems.
Re:Waze Carpool by apsec112 on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:12PM (#16233035)
You seem to assume that this service is expensive. I'm really not sure why anyone would think that, other than some notion that Larry Page is a comic book villain who hates the poor. It appears to be cheaper than any other commuting option for most people (~55 cents/mile).

Public transit, at least here in the SF Bay Area, is horribly mismanaged. Google does not have the power to force the 37 independent squabbling agencies here to work together, to force BART to kick obvious criminal activity out of their stations, or to fire anyone when new train stations fall behind schedule fifteen times in a row. Companies that provide good services should not be punished for not being magically omnipotent.

Re:Waze Carpool by skybrian on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:43AM (#16232170)
"Just" funding public transport wouldn't actually make commute times to tech company headquarters reasonable.
Re:Waze Carpool by sneak on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:51PM (#16234548)
This isn’t some class warfare thing. Busses have terrible service. They don’t even have seatbelts. Knock off this old trope.
Re:Waze Carpool by rdiddly on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:58PM (#16235086)
Second person I've seen on this thread, and maybe the fiftieth in my whole life experience, who heard "Let's fund public transportation!" and offered, as a counter-argument mind you, "No, public transportation is terrible."

Analogy:

Wife: "Hey let's buy a new toaster!"

Husband: "No way, have you seen how shitty our toaster is?"

Re:Waze Carpool by sneak on Friday January 26, 2018 @05:08PM (#16243294)
People voted. They voted to use Uber and Lyft, not some monopolistic system. Freedom of choice and agile won out over top-down, waterfall.

Public transportation sucks and will continue to suck, even with more funding. People want to pay for something better than it can be at its best, at least in most urban centers in the US.

Re:Waze Carpool by jstanley-fake on Thursday January 25, 2018 @11:45AM (#16232193)
A lot of places do not have a competent public transportation system or one at all. Public transportation also doesn't satisfy everyone's needs the same way ridesharing does (access to stops, time in transit, etc.). Even though ridesharing competes with public transpo, it does not eliminate it's need.
Re:Waze Carpool by rdiddly on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:52PM (#16235041)
"A lot of places do not have a competent public transportation system or one at all."

That is precisely the point. If they spent some money on it, they would have it.

Re:Waze Carpool by yorby on Thursday January 25, 2018 @03:25PM (#16234297)
Why can't public transportation use the same model as uber (and be more convenient)?
Re:Waze Carpool by MBlume on Thursday January 25, 2018 @04:08PM (#16234693)
You're right -- what we really need is to eliminate the regulations preventing tech companies from actually running private bus systems.