Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002)

Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by patcheudor on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @07:56PM (#16227844)

My daughter had severe acne. She changed her diet from vegetarian to full vegan and it cleared right up, in fact most of the past scaring is also now gone. She still consumes sugar (vegan sugar - yeah that's a thing: https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-sugar-vegan/) and doesn't take vitamin E or D supplements because she hasn't found any that are 'vegan certified.' Given some of the research we've looked at, our going theory is that dairy was the primary cause and there is some support for that: https://www.aad.org/media/news-releases/growing-evidence-sug...

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by arthurpaul on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:52PM (#16233408)

Vitamin D2 is always vegan. Vegan D3 extracted from lichens ( https://www.gardenoflife.com/content/hot-ingredient-first-ve... ) is available now on Amazon ( https://www.amazon.com/Doctor-Formulated-Vitamin-Supplement-... )

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by teilo on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:00PM (#16232363)

My daughter got severe acne after becoming a full vegan. When she introduced eggs, dairy, and fish back into her diet, her acne got much better.

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by cageface on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @11:03PM (#16228651)

A lot of people report a huge improvement in their acne after cutting out dairy. Drinking cow’s milk in large quantities is something humans have only been doing for a few thousand years and there’s quite a bit of evidence we probably shouldn’t.

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-acne-promoting-effects-...

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by simonsarris on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @11:14PM (#16228706)

What evidence? There's a reason the mutation that kept lactase production "on" spread so well. Today many of the healthiest cultures on Earth consume lots of dairy. France with the most butter, Greek with the most cheese, etc.

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by cageface on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @11:22PM (#16228744)

The healthiest populations in the world consume virtually no dairy. Okinawans, vegans, 7-day adventists etc.

The Mediterrean diet is largely vegetarian:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2017-02-16/10-commandments...

75% of the world's population loses their ability to digest lactose after infancy:

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/what-is-lactose-in...

Milk is for babies. Cow's milk is for cow babies.

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by antgiant on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:47AM (#16229053)

Vegetarian ≠ Vegan. Lots of dairy in the standard Vegetarian diet. The link you provided to the Mediterranean diet included lots of dairy (cheese, yogurt, etc.). Also, a lifetime of personal experience says that Seventh-day Adventists eat quite a lot of dairy.

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by cageface on Thursday January 25, 2018 @12:59AM (#16229085)

I'm vegan so I know the difference. The Adventists are often cited in nutrition studies and the vegan subgroup of Adventists is the healthiest.

Quoting directly from the link I provided:

If you think the Mediterranean diet looks a little low on dairy foods, you're right. It's certainly lower in dairy than is currently advised in the National Dietary Guidelines

...But traditional Greek Mediterranean populations got calcium from other sources: sardines and other small fish which were eaten with their bones, and from leafy greens (which contain only a little calcium but the large volume of the greens eaten meant the amount added up).

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by simonsarris on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:36AM (#16231488)

Every country on the Mediterranean consumes an enormous amount of dairy. Greece consumes more cheese per capita than any nation, and Malta, the island in the middle of the med, comes in third.

http://www.dummies.com/food-drink/special-diets/annual-chees...

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Re:Acne Vulgaris: A Disease of Western Civilization (2002) by cageface on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:20PM (#16236791)

Goat milk is healthier than cow milk:

https://www.livestrong.com/article/402645-what-are-the-healt...

At least some Greeks appear to have a genetic mutation that shields them from the worst effects of cholesterol and saturated fat in cheese:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/809612/greeks-un...

Even the recent cheerleading studies for cheese caution that eating it in large quantities is dangerous:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2017/12/06/is-chee...

And health issues aside, dairy is cruel: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/30/dairy-...

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