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Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by mrcarrot on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @08:17AM (#16222381)
Absolutely. I've found I have a really hard time with how he writes action as well. I always feel as though he's describing someone playing a video game.
Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by flintchip on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @09:36AM (#16222963)
Yes!

I recently picked up the Way of Kings but found the way he described the action/fantastical elements really jarring. It was like he felt he needed to spell it out rather than let the reader discover it organically. I've been told I need to struggle through though as it's supposedly a great story.

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by SXX on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @08:41AM (#16222532)
Might I guess that you are avid gamer or was one before? Since I had exactly same feeling when I read Mistborn and didn't find agreement on it with some people who are far more into books rather than games. Though I didn't have same problem with any other books probably because they have less action scenes.

All his magic systems have well defined mechanics and strict rules behind them so it's kind a expected and I feel like somebody who used to play a lot of games see through it more easily. Whatever it's good or bad depend on your own preferences in fantasy.

Personally I see this as a good thing since opposite would be ever repeating contrived coincidence of just-one-another arcane trick rediscovery. Probably these limits on what magic can or cannot do is one of things that make him improve his writing.

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @10:11AM (#16223238)
like, "<character> cast Fire on <enemy> for 110 dmg (+3 from Ring of Fire)"?
Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by SXX on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @10:29AM (#16223362)
No, but once he start to introduce some "magic" mechanics he literally describe it in details: how exactly it's works and looks like as if he was describing politicking. Also I took "magic" into quotes since in Cosmere books for the reader (!) it's always more like set of additional physics-like laws of world mechanics rather than some mystery.
Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by the_af on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @10:48AM (#16223555)
This is of course a matter of taste, but I really dislike this approach to magic/alchemy that Sanderson has. He's explained it before in an illuminating article [1] about his classification of magic systems in "Soft" (less explained, more arbitrary) vs "Hard" (more logical, there are clear/mechanical rules), and how he prefers the latter. I respect this, but I dislike it. To me, magic isn't rational or logical, and overexplanation ruins it. I prefer Tolkien's subtle approach that magic is unexplained, part of the song that made the world -- and in fact, to some of his characters "magic" is a puzzling word.

"Like a videogame" is an apt description of Sanderson's approach, and not my thing. Even Jack Vance's magic system of memorizing spells, used in his Dying Earth stories and said to have inspired the Dungeons & Dragons RPG system, is more mysterious and mystical than Sanderson's. Which is the way it should be!

[1] https://brandonsanderson.com/sandersons-first-law/

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by mcdoh on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @09:00PM (#16228192)
To me, "soft magic" is the same as "a hacker did it" that so many bad movies and TV shows use these days.
Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by the_af on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @09:48PM (#16228372)
It doesn't really work that way in practice, though. Not in Tolkien or in other good fantasy works.

Good "soft" magic is mysterious and often unreliable. It sometimes comes with a price. Main characters often do not understand it and cannot use it, or they misuse it to terrifying or hilarious results (e.g. Cugel in The Eyes of the Overworld).

The supernatural must be unknowable, otherwise it simply turns into the natural.

"A wizard/hacker did it" is simply bad writing.

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by SXX on Thursday January 25, 2018 @01:46AM (#16229259)
As you posted yourself it's matter of taste, but I for instance simply can't stand another "Gandalf come and save the day" situation because everyone except very good authors heavily abuse such tropes.

I perfectly fine with this kind of stuff in something like Discworld because of nature of these books and how I read them, but for epic fantasy with more or less serious themes I expect events to have logic behind them. Sanderson's books still have mysteries, but they just served by the ways other than generic "magic". So there is plenty of things to make theories about during and after reading.

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by the_af on Thursday January 25, 2018 @10:18AM (#16231314)
Yes, of course, it's a matter of taste. I can't argue beyond "I like reading this and dislike reading that".

Ultimately, to me, literary fiction is NOT like programming, and it's not as easy to explain what works and what doesn't. Mystery and ambiguity are bad things in code but good in literature.

Which brings me full circle to why I dislike Sanderson's approach :)

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by jandrese on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @11:23AM (#16223913)
Yeah, getting too far into the weeds is a quick way to make someone feel like they're reading a D&D rule book, especially if many pages are spent explaining rules that ultimately have no effect on the story.

At worst it turns your exciting adventure novel into a textbook for arcane effects practitioners.

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by booleandilemma on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:16PM (#16224907)
It sounds like his writing would be better served if he just tacked on an appendix with all of the magical minutiae.
Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by qu4z-2 on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @06:27PM (#16227313)
But by Sanderson's First Law, if it were in an appendix he wouldn't be able to use consequences of the rules in the story. Imagine I Robot if the laws of robotics were an optional appendix (although not quite that extreme).

FWIW, I didn't find it over-explained, but I tend towards systems naturally.

Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by a_t48 on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @03:28PM (#16226009)
He does tack on an appendix, which adds in even more details. I personally like it, but I suppose I was also the kind of kid growing up who would be okay reading D&D rulebooks. :)
Re:Earthsea – A Rival to Tolkien and George RR Martin (2015) by jandrese on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @01:48PM (#16225213)
Or just stuff the rules in a fun footnotes when necessary. I've always been a fan of that technique personally, although I understand it is generally discouraged.