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Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by virmundi on Monday January 22, 2018 @08:36PM (#16210100)
Historically churches and other community groups, including the Masons, would help in this regard. It appears as if this gone now. For example, black churches use to have get out the vote buses that helped people register. They would work with their paritioners and the large community to make sure that people could get to DMVs or wherever the locality required people to sign up. It appears like that is largely gone. Masonry and church attendance are on the wane. The government as god seems to have grown in its place. Unfortunately, many of the new adherents don't understand community nor civics. It will be interesting to see what happens as millennials gain more power.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by BigJono on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:35PM (#16210468)
I feel like there's a void to be filled here. Something that allows people to build a sense of community without all the make-believe crap.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by virmundi on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:50PM (#16210561)
There might be. I don't know what it is.

As a former Mason, the teachings are symbolic. Few people think they are historical. People don't really do symbolic anymore. We do TV.

Not be too much of a curmudgeon, but I don't think our society at this time has much of a philosophical bone left in it. As a result, we mostly reflect on ourselves as narcissists. Look at Facebook. It's use is a known cause of depression. We feel bad because others make their lives look so perfect or interesting. We get in flame wars on political topics. We no longer appeal to traditions like Locke or Rousseau. We don't reason about things. We feel and are offended.

If what I said is even mostly true, how do you build a society on that? At this point we've stared too long into the abyss. Perhaps we need the "make-believe crap" to bind us. Perhaps its not crap, but rather what the world is and our ignoring is leading to our own demise?

Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by behringer on Monday January 22, 2018 @09:59PM (#16210601)
Believing it is what got us here in the first place.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by virmundi on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:21PM (#16210694)
Belief boosted community. Black churches, unified by a belief in the intrinsic value of humanity, got people to vote, to march, and to change. Whites, Asians, and others, unified by a common core belief pushed against the violence and racism of their day to improve the lots of their fellow man. At the forefront was not a scientist, not a technocrat, but a preacher, surrounded by preachers.

At its zenith, as with all things lofty, religion started to fade. In its setting the government rose. It took up the mantle of diety. It became father. We live in its world now. We are poorer for it.

Government takes power from the people and apportions it to its acolytes. Organization for its own sake is the status quo. To streamline government is to unemploye millions. Our calf requires total subservience with little benefit.

Perhaps we’ll find a way to control our new leviathan. Maybe we can yoke it to till the soil of communal need. We could even do that by trying to preserve the dignity of man. To do that we might have to abandon our new truth that life is an accident. That man has no more importance than a rock. This might be a noble lie. We need something for we have only straw to grasp now handed to us by our new religion postmodernism.

Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by defo_nonconvex on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @07:37AM (#16213082)
There are quite a few countries with much lower rates of religious affiliation than the US, and decent societal values. NZ, Aus, Nordics, Swiss, Germany etc. And even if they have non-trivial rates of religious belief, its not the kind of fundamentalist and extractive religion that grips the US. If anything, the decoupling of religion from official institutions in the US has given it free reign to accumulate ever more soft power and wealth.

Those countries usually have "stronger" Governments too, with stronger social safety nets, and healthcare systems that don't try to shaft you for $40k when giving birth.

More to the point, someone should visualise the relationship between rates of religiosity and quality of public transportation, across a range of geographic areas. I can imagine the general trend, though there may be some outliers like Poland and Italy.

Content aside, this text sounds like a street-preacher in Battlestar Galactica or The Expanse.

Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by marnett on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:45PM (#16210807)
Do you have any more writing on this subject? I have been working on an essay discussing the lack of this philosophical backbone in our ideologies we build up - the new religion of the intellectual liberals of today (traditional dictionary definition of liberal, of course). I can feel a similar emotion in your writing.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by justhelpingout on Monday January 22, 2018 @11:21PM (#16210969)
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by marnett on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:37AM (#16211288)
thank you for sharing this.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by virmundi on Monday January 22, 2018 @10:56PM (#16210864)
Mostly it’s from high school philosophy classes and YouTube. Watch enough Jordan Peterson and YouTube will feed you more. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by marnett on Tuesday January 23, 2018 @12:34AM (#16211280)
It does have a similar ring as Jordan Peterson, you are correct.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by r00fus on Monday January 22, 2018 @11:33PM (#16211019)
Could be the "make believe crap" serves a useful function as social lubricant and adherence factor.

Perhaps have more obvious and better make believe (flying spaghetti monster)?

Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by lazyasciiart on Monday January 22, 2018 @11:46PM (#16211068)
I think that's what Universal Unitarianism is meant to be - I certainly know atheists who have joined one for the community and felt welcome.
Re:Once seniors are too old to drive, our transportation sys... by KozmoNau7 on Wednesday January 24, 2018 @06:39AM (#16221968)
You mean Unitarian Universalism? :-)