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Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by ryandrake on Thursday January 18, 2018 @07:55PM (#16183158)
If I actually abstained from all things that “would bother someone” I would never even be able to leave the house. No matter what you do, I guarantee that there is someone, somewhere, who will be gravely offended by it. This doesn’t even include the people who are out there actively looking for things to take offense to. Trying to please everyone is not a winnable game.
Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by tailrecursion on Thursday January 18, 2018 @10:48PM (#16184004)
So true. In addition, once they see that you're so accommodating they'll adapt by inventing new offenses.
Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by zzzcpan on Thursday January 18, 2018 @08:20PM (#16183281)
Yeah, the assumption that people leave tech because they are so offended by a behavior doesn't sound like a reasonable assumption.

People have jobs because they have to work, not because they would like to do it. If they leave the industry, it's because they don't find jobs in the industry worthy enough to endure. I'm sure more would stay for better rewards.

Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by kelnos on Thursday January 18, 2018 @08:55PM (#16183486)
> the assumption that people leave tech because they are so offended by a behavior doesn't sound like a reasonable assumption.

The reality is more that they are moderately to highly offended by a series of behaviors. It's usually not one single thing that someone runs into and says "that's it, I'm out", it's a long list of often smaller things that ultimately adds up to an intolerable experience.

> People have jobs because they have to work, not because they would like to do it.

Why can't we have both? Given that most of us spend the majority of our waking hours for the majority of our lives working, wouldn't we prefer to actually like what we're doing? Perhaps we'll never get there, but moving in that direction seems like a worthwhile goal.

Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by adamsea on Thursday January 18, 2018 @09:01PM (#16183528)
Susan Fowler didn't leave tech, but she left Uber: https://www.susanjfowler.com/blog/2017/2/19/reflecting-on-on...
Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by cutcss on Thursday January 18, 2018 @08:22PM (#16183291)
And even if you could please everyone that doesn't guarantees you are a net positive for society; for example Galileo had to bother a lot of people to convince them the earth rotates around the sun and not otherwise; and pretty much anyone with an unpopular opinion that at the end turned out be for the best had to bother a lot of people.
Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by taneq on Thursday January 18, 2018 @08:33PM (#16183362)
"If you're not making anyone angry, you're not doing anything important."

(Note, however, that the contrapositive is "if you're doing something important, you'll make someone angry", not "if you're making people angry, you're doing something important"!)

Re:Getting free of toxic tech culture by qu4z-2 on Thursday January 18, 2018 @09:22PM (#16183636)
Thank you for the second half of this comment.