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Re:Who the Hell Uses Onion Juice? by ghaff on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:43PM (#16171080)
Fair enough. It's almost certainly more correct to list umami as one of the basic tastes, rather than savory. (I was more commenting on Wikipedia suggesting they're the same thing when they're really not.)
Re:Who the Hell Uses Onion Juice? by zeveb on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:54PM (#16171723)
> It's almost certainly more correct to list umami as one of the basic tastes, rather than savory.

I really don't think so: 'savory' is an actual English word while 'umami' is a Japanese one. Writing 'umami' like writing 'arugula' instead of 'rocket' or 'cilantro' instead of 'coriander.'

And 'umami' isn't really any more accurate than 'savory': it's a 100-year-old neologism from the Japanese word for 'delicious.' Given a choice between two words which aren't necessarily perfect fits for the concept, why not stick with the native one?

Re:Who the Hell Uses Onion Juice? by empath75 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:36PM (#16172709)
Because savory has other meanings in cooking and umami is a essentially a pure concept in English. Umami means one and exactly one thing.
Re:Who the Hell Uses Onion Juice? by ghaff on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:21PM (#16173033)
Exactly. Essentially English co-opted umami as a stand-in for glutamate-y which, we can probably agree is an aesthetic improvement. It's at least arguably a subset of savory but as I commented earlier there are clearly meanings of savory in cooking/baking that have no relationship to umami as the term is used in English.