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Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by lolsal on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:00AM (#16168931)
in the first example the doctor is compelling the patient to do something and the patient exercises her right to refuse. In the second example the patient is compelling to the doctor to do something and the doctor exercises her right to refuse. You never have a 'right' to compel another person to do anything. You may have legal, ethical or moral reasons to compel someone to do something, but you never have a right to.
Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by harryh on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:05AM (#16168973)
I think this is mostly right but it is worth noting that in some cases doctors are obligated to act. If I run into the ER with a serious issue and a doctor says "sorry, I can't treat you right now, it's my coffee break" that can be malpractice.
Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by lolsal on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:13AM (#16169043)
Understood - but that is a legal or ethical obligation, not one of your rights.
Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by ABCLAW on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @12:20PM (#16169724)
>You never have a 'right' to compel another person to do anything.

There are plenty of instances where you have the right to compel another person to do things.

Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by passivepinetree on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @12:27PM (#16169801)
I'm not disagreeing with you, but your case would be stronger if you could provide some examples.
Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by ABCLAW on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @12:36PM (#16169903)
You walk into my house. I have the right to compel you to leave. You try to stab me. I have the right to compel you to stop with reasonable force. You arbitrarily try to deny my passport application because you don't like my face. I get a Writ of Mandamus issued against you and compel you to do your job. We enter into an agreement which you breach. I obtain an order mandating specific performance and compel you to personally do what we agreed upon. You're wanted for arrest and I'm a peace officer. I compel you to come down to the station.

I can go on all day.

The poster above you does not understand what a 'right' is and is trying to make a point about positive vs negative rights, but doesn't actually understand the distinction.

Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by lolsal on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:29PM (#16170397)
You just listed a bunch of examples where people are legally compelled to do something, which I mentioned.

> The poster above you does not understand what a 'right' is and is trying to make a point about positive vs negative rights, but doesn't actually understand the distinction.

Ok. Nice talking with you. Have a good day.

Re:Do You Have the Right to Plead Not Guilty When Your Lawye... by ABCLAW on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:01PM (#16172902)
I know you mentioned it - you just weren't correct. Hope the clarification was helpful. Here's some additional reading if you're interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights