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Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by everdev on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @12:47AM (#16165764)
Ponzi scheme work because people believe the fraud (promise of high returns).

If they said, deposit your money and we'll pay you back only if enough people after you also deposit their money then you'd have an interesting point, although I'm sure it's still illegal even if you announce your intentions before doing something illegal.

Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by skgoa on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:31AM (#16166380)
With Ponzi schemes the situation is even wrose for the perpetrator: they are explicitely illegal and you can't get out of legal ramifications even if you are completely honest and upfront.
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by saas_co_de on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @08:26AM (#16167670)
> Ponzi scheme work because people believe the fraud

That is not always the case. Sometimes you have a Ponzi like Madoff where it may seem legit to investors but most ponzis are blatant and the people involved know it is a ponzi but think they can profit by selling it to greater fools.

Of course they will all express shock and feign ignorance when they are trying to get their money back or defend themselves from the angry people they hustled.

Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by mannykannot on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:30AM (#16168102)
In the US, as the Madoff case showed, if it can be shown that you are a sophisticated enough investor to realize that it is probably a Ponzi scheme, your profits can be clawed back and used as partial restitution for the victims. Any scheme that is upfront about what it was doing would significantly lower the bar on making that case.
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by sseveran on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @12:45PM (#16169998)
In fact this is the case even if you are not a sophisticated investor, since the profits are not yours and are really just stolen property.
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by conanbatt on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:11AM (#16165846)
> Ponzi scheme work because people believe the fraud (promise of high returns).

Lotteries work the same way and are legal.

Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by haimez on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @01:49AM (#16165990)
Lotteries are also illegal to operate privately, which makes them completely irrelevant to this conversation.
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by Sean1708 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:25AM (#16168065)
> Lotteries are also illegal to operate privately

I didn't know that. Does that mean that raffles are technically illegal? Or is there some kind of special-case about winning money?

Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by tialaramex on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:29AM (#16168665)
In different places (states, countries) there are a variety of rules, the goal of which is generally to let people have things like a fun Xmas raffle without opening up the opportunity to run "The Numbers Game" or similar.

To allow a raffle, dodges often enshrined in law include:

* Very low prize limits (e.g. max $100) but donated prizes don't count towards that limit. So your local charitable raffle has no problem getting a nice bottle of Scotch, dinner for two with wine at a nice place, family portrait, whatever local merchants want to donate, and it's all fine, so long as they don't buy it.

* Exemptions if you can only buy tickets in one place, or if you only sell them to members of your organisation that exists for some other purpose (e.g. a local church, employees at a factory)

* Exemptions if the profits of the gambling go to a recognised charitable organisation.

* Exemptions if there's no profit at all, all is spent on prizes that go to ticket buyers randomly, so the whole operation only moves money around randomly inside a group of participants.

Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by Nursie on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:13AM (#16168532)
In the UK there are special rules about raffles and lotteries on a small scale, and apparently they are only legal when for "a good cause" - http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/for-the-public/Fundrais...
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by amdavidson on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:54AM (#16168308)
Raffles guarantee a winner. Picking a single person from a group of people have a very different probability profile than picking a number from a set of numbers that may not have associated lottery tickets.
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by beefield on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:22AM (#16166599)
My understanding is that lotteries are quite open about the expected return that is heavily negative (and most people do understand that the expected return is negative). So they do not work the same way.
Re:BitConnect Closes Exchange as States Warn of Unregulated ... by conanbatt on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:43PM (#16172217)
Even if you are open to being a Ponzi, it is illegal in the U.S.

As another user says, the only legal Lottery is the one that is run by the State.

Isn't it interesting.