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Re:Google Memory Loss by AndrewKemendo on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:36PM (#16155353)
I've noticed the same and if you look across internet and search properties it's trending the same way.

I'm not certain yet, but I think it has to do with systems relying more and more on the the system giving a high weighting on popular or frequent searches. In other words, these systems are filtering content by how frequent they are searched and annealing returns which have low frequency.

This makes sense from a machine learning perspective. If I want to build a system which returns a search quickly, then it will be biased towards pathways with strong weights. So in the end, systems would be biased against outlier searches and very specific terms which have low or weak search pathways. Effectively the system is getting really fast and good at giving you the most popular return, rather than a precise return.

The major problem there is that over time the search space will atrophy, much like memories do, and will kill off pathways which have low frequency. It's unclear if this is good or bad long term for a search engine, because it will remain popular for the majority of users, so long as their search terms and desired results live within the same space. In other words, we're creating a less diverse and more homogenous space by virtue of giving higher weights to more common thoughts/searches/desires.

Re:Google Memory Loss by fixermark on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:52PM (#16155421)
I think the interesting question is: if you optimize the design to return rarely-accessed results reliably, what feature that we take for granted does that design sacrifice?
Re:Google Memory Loss by AndrewKemendo on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:26PM (#16155563)
To me it's obviously speed. Reducing the search space or cache or however you want to define it is the best way to increase speed.

When milliseconds count that's important.

Re:Google Memory Loss by Santosh83 on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @04:24AM (#16156834)
This is sad because humans are much much slower than computers and even 1 whole second is nothing to us. At least I am quite willing for Google to take a second or more to give me more thorough results. A query that takes 900 milliseconds is better than the same one taking 150 milliseconds but returning poorer results. The additional 750 milliseconds are virtually unnoticeable in human time and a small sacrifice to make for excellent search coverage.

The only place where every millisecond may count is the case of automated queries running into the thousands and millions. I'm not aware Google even allows something like that and it's a corner case anyway. Human typed search is the majority use case.

Re:Google Memory Loss by fixermark on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @08:18AM (#16157907)
2 seconds is a human patience threshold. Google aims for 500ms (750ms is very noticeable).

https://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2016/02/how-slow-is-too-slo...

Re:Google Memory Loss by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @09:13AM (#16158257)
Presumably if Google spend 150ms of processing time typically, they don't want to spend 900ms (I'm ignoring transit times, etc.) on one query as they could get 6x as many ad impressions for that processing cost.

They don't even need to do better than the competition, only well enough to stop customers leaving despite having to do 4-5 searches.