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Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by Aloha on Monday January 15, 2018 @08:08PM (#16155003)
Guaranteed Minimum Income.

Everyone over the age of 18 gets a check from the government for 1,000 dollars a month. The only qualification to get the money, is being 18 years old, being alive, residing in the united states and being a citizen or permanent resident of the united states.

Short of creating fictitious people, with fictitious identity documentation, its virtually impossible to cheat it.

Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by newfoundglory on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:01PM (#16155202)
So don’t tell anyone that your grandma who lives with you died in her sleep. And definitely don’t mention that your 21 year old brother is off backpacking Asia (how long does he have to be gone for that to even be cheating?)
Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by Aloha on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:22PM (#16155284)
Well, social security fraud already happens, nothing new there, I'd likely blend this with social security anyhow - so you'd move to the social security schedule upon retirement - in no case however would anyone bring home less than they would under the minimum income scheme.

I'd probably allow anyone who was not working overseas for longer than a year to continue to draw it, its really about your permanent residence and where it is - on the other hand the number of americans who work abroad is astonishingly small - so probably not enough to worry about.

Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by newfoundglory on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:02PM (#16155459)
That doesn’t come even close to being “virtually impossible to cheat”.
Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by Aloha on Monday January 15, 2018 @11:05PM (#16155739)
Explain to me how you'd cheat then?
Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by newfoundglory on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @12:03AM (#16155969)
I just gave you two methods off the top of my head. I’m saying it is easy to cheat, not “virtually impossible” as you claimed.
Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by Aloha on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @01:11AM (#16156191)
one of them I eliminated by defining the rules in such a way that it wouldnt be an issue - the other requires keeping a rotting dead body hidden somewhere.

Part of what a GMI would need to overcome is ensuring that we have an accurate tracking program - a death should trigger an semi-automated removal from the rolls - as in you need to present yourself.

No system is foolproof, and even the best one in the world is going to have upwards of 2-3% fraud - that said the social security administration historically has been VERY good about tracking them down, and remarkably successful at clawing overpayments back.

In the end, by eliminating means testing you close down a ton of venues for fraud.

Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by newfoundglory on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @03:27AM (#16156611)
> No system is foolproof, and even the best one in the world is going to have upwards of 2-3% fraud

I agree, and that’s why I would never say it was virtually impossible to cheat one.

Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by gnarbarian on Monday January 15, 2018 @08:16PM (#16155032)
You could take that 1k per month and buy crack. That's what he's trying to say.
Re:California has the highest poverty rate in the USA by Aloha on Monday January 15, 2018 @08:41PM (#16155125)
and so? they could do that with their paycheck too.

No system in the world is going to stop people from doing stupid shit - you try the best you can, but at the end of the day, people have to choose to do the right thing.